Dear Mr. P.S. Sandhu,
The story as written does not sound true. A credible story requires at the least some authentic description of this man.

I challenge you to open the Bible and read it carefully. I ask you to come forward and debate the Bible on the pages of www.Sikhspectrum.com. I hope you will take this challenge in good stride. There are many advantages to you. You will be able to reach many thousands of readers and they will be interested in knowing the "good news of Jesus." Think about it.

I humbly respond to the comments of my friend GB Singh. GB Singh says that the story as written does not sound true and that a credible story requires at the least some authentic description of this man. Can my friend believe the other stories published in this forum on people like Bhupinder Singh, Rabi Maharaj, etc.? If we publish the testimonies of people who are described in a vivid manner, you would not believe us. If we publish the testimony of someone without revealing his identity, you would doubt the same. What can we do? What is more important is the word of testimony rather than the description of the author. Here is a person whose life was completely changed by the power of the gospel. You want us to produce evidence to prove the authenticity of the Bible. But when we produce the historical evidence, you would not believe us. Here is the powerful word of testimony that proves the authenticity of the gospel that establishes beyond doubt that Jesus Christ lives today, touching and changing the lives of sinners.


With all the humility, I have accepted the request of my friend GB Singh and I am now participating in the esteemed Sikh Spectrum forum. Yes, we would prove the authenticity of the Bible through logic and jurisprudence, and not by quoting from the Bible. I thank my friend GB Singh for giving me an opportunity to preach the glorious gospel to my Hindu and Sikh friends through the Sikh Spectrum forum. May the Lord bless you! We love you from the depth of our hearts.

Job Anbalagan

Comments to Job remarks on GB Singh Statement.

I don't think Brother GB Singh does not belief in other so call swami worshipping former sikhs but he was questioning this testimony.Remember most of these testimonies actually disgust many sikhs and create more hate towards christianity it's not the other way round.The fact of misconception on sikhism written in some of these testimonies really disgust all sikhs. It's a fact more christians do leave christianity for sikhism but sikhs do dot boast with testimonies.As for the bible battle, you have yet to prove the authenticity of the bible. All i read you actually justified slavery is ok. This is just purely disgusting.

Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Divine Category



Part 1

Subject:
Proof on, The Guru Granth is Divine.

Category:
General Feedback

Author:
Janet Lant

I AM STILL A CHRISTIAN BUT WILL SOON CONVERT TO SIKHISM

Listen , I never got around to telling you some of the things about Sikh religion that convince me of its authenticity. One major evidence is the "Holy Book" of Sikh religion known as the "Granth Sahib". The Granth Sahib was complied over a period of 240years by the hands of the beings that founded Sikh religion. All copies are matched to the original handwritten one. It is scientifically impossible for any known being to write a book with all the qualities found in the Granth Sahib. Below are some of those amazing qualities:

It is written using very deeply profound words obtained from over 16 languages. (I would say that it's words are more profound then that of any other Book on the planet, but that would not get anywhere, I would be simply dismissed as being biased)
The words from over 16 incompatible languages are incorporated in a way that they make perfect sense.
The alphabet the Granth Sahib uses was invented by the Supreme Beings that wrote it. The Alphabet is called Gurmuki, it is impossible to make a spelling mistake using this alphabet because it has logical grammar rules. Every word or sound can only be written one way. Not like English where the k in knife is silent. This is the easiest alphabet to master. I bet the world would be using computers a long time ago to write things using speech recognition programs if Gurmuki was the business language of the world.
Every sentence is written in poetry of the highest order. (William Shakespeare would have been envious.)
At the same time every sentence rhymes.
At the same time everything is in music verse form, so that all sorts of musical instruments can be played while it is sung.

Sikh religion believes praying should be a very pleasurable, stress reliving, thought provoking event. Most other religions believe praying should be a act of submission(Catholics make you kneel allot!), unquestioningly following rituals, and fear of a jealous Angry God (the Ten Commandments of Judao-Christianity state something about God being a Jealous God and one prone to Anger.) Now Job, tell me does it make sense following a God who is so immature he gets Jealous, how insecure could that kind of a God be! And how wimpy and powerless must this God be if he gets Angry.

The God of Sikh religion never gets Jealous because he made all those awesome things that make insecure persons jealous. Sikh religion also says God is without anger. Their is a very beautiful song about this in the Granth Sahib!

Plus before the Equal Rights movement, infact 540 years before , Guru Nanak said many nice Praises about women, instead of condemning them like all the other great religions do.

Quotes about Women in Sri Guru Granth Sahib In praise of women.

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. We grow up stronger and wiser having drunk milk from the breast of woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)

Marriage is an equal partnership of love and sharing between husband and wife.

"They are not husband and wife, who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called husband and wife, who have one spirit in two bodies." (Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 788)

Women have an equal right to participate in the congregation.

"Come my sisters and dear comrades! Clasp me in thine embrace. Meeting together, let us tell the tales of our Omnipotent Spouse (God). In the True Lord are all merits, in us all demerits." (Guru Nanak Dev, Sri Rag, pg. 17)

God is the husband and we are all his brides.

"The spouse is but One and all others are His brides. The false bride assumes many religious garbs. When the Lord stops her going into another's home, then is she summoned into her Lord's mansion without any let and hindrance. She is adorned with the Name and is dear to her True Lord. She alone is the true bride and the Lord lends her His support." (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 933) (note: Lord is one of the names of God)

God is our Mother as well as our Father.

"Thou O Lord, art my Father and Thou my Mother. Thou art the Giver of peace to my soul and very life." (Guru Arjan Dev, Bhairo, pg. 1144)

The rape and brutalities committed against women by the Mughal invader Babar condemned.

"Modesty and righteousness both have vanished and falsehood moves about as the leader, O Lalo. The function of the Qazis and the Brahmins is over and the Satan now reads the marriage rites (rape). The Muslim women read the Quran and in suffering call upon God, O Lalo. The Hindu women of high cast and others of low caste, may also be put in the same account, O Lalo." (Guru Nanak Dev, Tilang, pg. 722)

The practice of women burning themselves on their husband's funeral pyre (sati) condemned.

"They cannot be called satis, who burn themselves with their dead husbands. They can only be called satis, if they bear the shock of separation. They may also be known as satis, who live with character and contentment and always show veneration to their husbands by remembering them." (Guru Amar Das, Var Suhi, pg. 787)

The ritual of dowry so prevalent in many societies condemned.

"Any other dowry, which the perverse place for show, that is false pride and worthless gilding. O' my Father! give me the Name of Lord God as a gift and dowry." (Guru Ram Das, Sri Rag, pg. 79)

First Supreme Being Guru Nanak laid the foundation of Sikhism which believes in a casteless, egalitarian society which guarantees equal rights to Women. Each of the Supreme Being Gurus under authority of God gave women equal status. They gained social and religious freedom at a time when the existing religions and society considered women to be property. The false notion that they were inherently evil and unclean was removed. A woman was regarded as temptation-incarnate. The Gurus exposed the folly of such notions. [Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Jainism, they all directly say Women are Unclean and Inferior.].


Sixth Supreme Being Guru Hargobind called Woman "the conscience of man". In religious gatherings, men and women sang and preached without any distinction. The wearing of purdah (women wearing veils to hide the face) was rejected as demeaning to women. Guru Hargobind refused to have dinner with any Queen who wore a veil.

Ik OnKar: means "One Creator" The circle is a chuchrum representing the Universe, the double edged sword represents the positive and negative side of the Force, the 2 swords on the outside of the sphere represent the hands of the One Creator protecting and beholding all that exists and beyond.

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Part 2

Dear Inquisitive, challenging brother "Job", I will answer all your questions in better detail when time permits. For now I will torpedo your points. PLEASE READ THE KHALSA CONSENSUS ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. Then you will see that Sikhs have more Divine proofs then any other Religion. I was born and still am a Christian, but I will soon Convert to Sikhism. The main reason being the Bible is anti-Women, it talks about the Woman’s Curse, the Old testament says God wants you to steal a baby boys foreskin, Science now says that mutilative operation is very harmful to the Defenseless infant boy, Mothering Magazine did a Science article on it. But Sikhs knew one should never destroy any Gift God gives, so cutting of a skin from the genitals is quite Evil, what happened to Human Rights, The Sikh religion Honors infants and all beings! Everyday a teaching of the Bible is found to be harmful.

First: You claim the proof that a revelation is truly from God, is Prophesy! As you know any occult palm reader etc... can claim they predicted an Earth Quake a year before it happened. All a Psychic has to say is next year the Earth will shake. Chances under rules of Science are that there is a good chance that some kind of explosion or Earth Shaking activity will happen in a year, so Prophesy is just clever manipulation of history.

You say "The Bible prophesied hundreds of years in advance giving detailed accounts of the major empires of the world and all major cities of the ancient world as well as the names of two emperors 200 years before they were born".


I have read the Bible, I find that these so called revelation do not prove anything anyone can make them, it's easy to turn anything written in the past into a accurate prediction, by stretching interpretations to suite an end result.

Not to really answer your challenge. SIKHS do not depend on Prophesy, because God like a Movie producer can make any changes whenever He/She wants to. What Proves the Sikh religion came directly from God is it is the only Religion in the world that has perfect Science. Your Bible was the reason Galileo was almost Executed, because the Bible was saying the Earth is Flat & the Sun revolves around the Earth. This Male Egotistical writing is now proven face by Science. The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, "The Light that Dispels the Darkness", wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems. If you know science you know Solar System means a planetary system in which all the planets revolve around a central Star.


Second proof The first Supreme Being or Light that Dispels the Darkness-Guru Nanak with his own hands at the order of God wrote Hymns that say the Earth and many planets are round. I will now Quote a Divine Poetic Quote translated from Gurmuki, that teaches that not only is Earth Round but there are uncountable Earths(planets), Uncountable Solar Systems around which they orbit, Uncountable Galaxies. Chris Hammer, you know that it was only a few decades ago when "Hubble" an astronomer discovered that we live in a Galaxy, then much later Hubble discovered that there are many Galaxies outside our own. Well Mr. Hammer, the Sikh Holy Scripture which is the only Holy Book written by the Founder(s) of its faith. That is like saying Jesus wrote the Bible, instead of Chauvinistic men 100's of years after Jesus died.

The Guru Granth Sahib, over 540 years ago stated that their were Countless Galaxies, Galileo was not born until 100 years later. Guru Nanak did not have a Telescope or vast scientific resources like Galileo did. If that is not enough & you demand Sikhs to have prophesy to be valid, then I will give you something no human not even Jesus knew, the Gurus said there are Universes upon Universes, Spheres upon Spheres. What this means is that when you reach the end of our 15 billion light years size Universe, go many times that distance into empty space, you will encounter the neighboring Universe, keep traveling and the scenario will repeat. Now the Spheres upon Spheres means that about 400 trillion Universes each the size of our one Universe make a Spherical structures called a Sphere, & that there are countless numbers of these huge Spheres each containing Trillions of Universes.

Now Mr. Job, your God is a God of 1 Flat Earth, 1 spiritual heaven, & 1 Spiritual Hell! The Sikh God as I mentioned above is bigger, his Earth is a Sphere, he is master of many Planets, Universes, Galaxies etc.. plus his is master of countless Physical Heavens in addition to 1 Spiritual Heaven + countless Physical Hells in addition to 1 Spiritual Hell! So your God Mr. Hammer is quite small in power etc... How come your Bible did not mention this.

Now to give you a prophesy, in the Future your Scientists will discover that the Sikh religion was correct when Guru Nanak stated there are Universes upon Universes, then much further into the future your Scientists will eventual realize that Trillions of these Universes form a Sphere. Below is the Quote! Enjoy!


"There are worlds upon worlds, solar systems upon solar systems, galaxies upon galaxies, universes upon universes, spheres upon spheres, They function according to Command of God. God gets joy by thinking of and beholding His Creation;"


"Beyond this Earth, there are many more and more earths. What power bears their load from underneath? (Not the supposed bull, but God's Force)."

"God's One Word created the world's expansion. And lacs of rivers began to flow."

"There are nether worlds and more nether worlds below them and there are lakhs of skies over them. Limitless the worlds beneath, limitless the worlds above. One may grow weary of searching out His limits. One can never reach the end of His Vastness."

"The continents, worlds and solar system, established by God, sing His glories. God's enlightened beings steeped in the Name, who are pleasing to God, sing His praises"

"God has His seat and His storehouses in all the worlds. Whatever is stored, was put only once for all, enough forever!"

"How many Indras, moons, suns, and how many Star Systems[Surya Mandals], and stars, How many [countless], Siddh, Buddhas [like Gautama Buddha], Nath [Gurus], and how many forms and incarnations of Devi [Durga],How many Angles, Demons, Speakars of Truth[Muni], and countless Oceans having precious stones,"

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My parents like you tried to discourage me from embracing Sikh ways, they said Sikhism is primitive religion. I then proved to them exactly how misguided & ignorant they were. I did this by pointing out that Christianity began 2000 years ago, it was a primitive mans attempt to understand God. So it is Christianity that is primitive, Sikhism I taught my parents is a Religion of Divine Science.

The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, "The Light that Dispels the Darkness", wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems."

The Sikh religion states there is only one "SAT GURU" meaning True God. When I refer to Guru Nanak as a First Supreme Being, it means Pala Mehel or First Mehel, it does not mean GOD. God is The One Supreme Being, the Gurus were one step below as Supreme Beings under the One True Supreme Being. The word GURU comes from 2 words GU & RU, GU means Light, RU means Darkness. Combined they mean "The Light That Dispels The Darkness" or simply GURU. Clearly each of the 10 Gurus were and are Supreme Beings working for God the One True Supreme Being. Guru Nanak walked the Land like Jesus, only difference is Nanak walked much further distances, infact Nanak at a minimum based on other nations historical records walked enough to circle the Earth 3 times over. But in the future I feel the distance record will increase even further, for example the nation of ITALY has villagers reporting their ancestors made company with Nanak, and the Provincial Governments of CHINA are reporting, that they had visits by Nanak, they have now proved that Nanking province And Nanaking City were named to Honor First Supreme Being Nanak.

If you read Genesis or the TORAH it has a section called "The Woman's Curse", which is a Man made Bible teaching that God punished Women because a mythical Eve gave Adam a forbidden fruit. I will give you an exact quote when time permits. This Bible chapter states that a women had monthly menstrual cycles because God has Cursed her. In Genesis it also says a Woman's Husband shall strike her in the Head. Read the Bible & the Old Testament or Torah and you will see how much hatred of woman there is in there. It talks of God wanting Woman to be submissive to Man.

I am a MD and no Bible Thumping Man tells me what to do. I told my Fiancee that I am almost sure I am converting to Sikhism & if he is unwilling to do the same, then he can hit the road. He said whatever I want he wants too. I have been teaching him many of the Khalsa Books on Sikhism, and he is impressed at the GURU's teachings.

JOB, I studied all the religions, and found all flawed, only Sikhism was able to withstand my fierce assault. I tried & Tried to find fault in Sikhism, I found NONE! When I first saw a Sikh, I thought he was a Muslim, I latter I learned that most Muslims never wear a Turban, a Sikh wears a Turban, because it Give a Free Cranial Adjustment & tells Him & everyone else that he is beneath no one and only God is above Him!

The Pro Woman aspect of Sikhism is only one of the many Divine Reasons I am planing on Upgrading to Sikhism. I find Sikhism is a very advanced Dharma for the Modern world. My current religion just has no place to meet my Modern Demands, its not like after I got my MD, some guy with a Old Testament is going to put me in the Kitchen, because some imaginary MALE GOD told him a Woman belongs in the Kitchen, HA HA! Of course I do allot of work in the Kitchen, but only when I want to cook something I Love & avoid the unhealthy restaurant food.

The Tenth Supreme Being Guru Govind Singh, when traveling by the woods, got of his horse upon the sight of a Tombacoo Plant (Tobacco Plant). He then drew his Kirpan (holy Sword) and chopped it up, then with his feet he smeared it into the ground. Onlookers belonging to many different religions, asked the Tenths Supreme Being, why have you destroyed that plant? The Tenth Supreme Being replied " Alcohol will destroy one Generation, But Tombacoo will destroy many generations.

Job, as you know it was only about 11 years ago that Scientist discovered that Second hand Tobacco Smoke kills, thus destroying(damaging or killing) the fetus and destroying the lives of children & great Grand Children & friends. So because the 10th Supreme Being was in constant communications with the One True Supreme Being(Ik Onkar, Sat Nam) he had access to absolute Science. Did the Men who wrote the Holy Bible not know about Tobacco, were the not in communication with the One True Creator? Sikhism is the only Faith that forbids Tobacco in its Scriptures. Read the English Translations by SANT SINGH KHALSA, also a MD! I only hope that God will let me earn the only True Degree there is the "Degree of Divine Sikhia".

Chris it was my Medical Colleagues who during the 50's started routine Circumcision of Defenseless Babies. This was done to make extra income for medical professionals, Circumcision increases the transmission and acquiring of STD's. Plus many other problems, In my next posting I will give over 70 Scientific references proving my point. I will do this not to prove you wrong, but to prove another Sikh wrong. Job even Jesus tried to ban Circumcision, because the practice is Satanic, no Loving God would ask anyone to chop of a very valuable pleasure producing part.

Read the next post, then you will see the proof!

Until the past 12 years I when to Church every Sunday, now hopefully I will get to go to Gurdwara any day of the week as convenient. Instead of hearing a fiery sermon, I will get to enjoy Divine Music & Hymns!

And JOB, Only Ik Onkar or One Creators name is Precious, not a Nice Guy named Jesus. I get the impression you are a Religious Fanatic, something that the Sikh Dharm shuns. Because Fanaticism puts a wall between ones spiritual connection to One True Creator.


Sikhs don't waste time spreading Sikhism like other religions do because, one does not give away Diamonds. I am lucky I came across this True Diamond, I only hope I have the IQ it takes to follow the Super Advanced Spiritual Teachings of the "Lights that Dispel the Darkness or Gurus".

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Part 4

See, I am not the only one that knows a Turban gives a Cranial Adjustment. It is a law of Physics, not Indian culture. Sikhism is from the future, Indian is from the past, you can take the wayward path if you like. . I as a very Modern American, know I am becoming even more Modern by adopting the Guru's (the Lights that Dispel the Darkness)teachings and way of life. If Punjabi Sikhs misbehave they loose big time. I have looked at all Religions and Sikhism is the only Dharm that can exist in its current form on any Planet in Any Universe, maybe the Punjabi Sikhs don't deserve this best of all Universal Knowledge anymore.

I wore a Kara to the last continuing medical education seminar, and some of my colleagues asked me about it. So I told them what it was and about Sikh Dharm, they showed great interest in learning more. Two of the ladies from the group asked where they could get a translation of the Sikh Holy book. Page 14 of the Khalsa Consensus Translation must be what peaked there interest! If God gave me more time, I know it would be so easy to get far more individuals interested in Sikhism!

A lot of contradiction in this story.

The title indicates this is a tale of an sikh priest..then when you read on it indicates he belongs to a family whose parents are preist and he is actually not a priest.
Anyway, there is no priesthood in Sikhism.
Only reader of the granths who are called granthi ,this is typically volunteers from the community.

With all due respect for Mr. P.S. Sandhu, I must say that he needs to brush up his skills on evidence. I have read at least three of his articles posted on SAC and I find this weakness of not able to comprehend what real evidence is. I know I was myself weak in such matters and an extra college level training made the difference plus the mentoring of my superiors. Even today when I deal with highly complex matters, I do not hesitate to seek opinions of experts. I express these words as my token of thanks and appreciation for Sandhu's pursuits. I hope one day he will open the Bible and begin to read with me.

I respond to comment No. of Shaun Singh. Will you please define the word "priest" here? If there is no priesthood in the Sikhism, then it is not a religion at all. Every religion has its priesthood. What about the Sikh Gurus? People consider them as gurus. A guru means one who teaches his followers and brings them to the God he teaches about. He is also a priest.

Responding to comment #13, Mr. Anbalagan or anybody else: It is always a good idea to keep one's mind open and be willing to learn from others and not flirt with words.

Please take time to read the articles on Sikhism on www.Sikhspectrum.com. This site offers intellectual input on Sikh religion as well as on other items. Shaun Singh is correct in saying that priesthood is not a part of Sikh religion.

Just because any person has "learned" something or heard it from somewhere else, it doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate. A good scholarship takes devoted time to master and comprehend. This applies to all of us not to exclude Mr. Anbalagan.

Dear Readers,
Kudos to Mr. Job Anbalagan for writing articles for the ongoing debates on www.Sikhspectrum.com. In the February 07 issue will be published "Rescuing the Biblical God" which will include Mr. Anbalagan's lengthy letter along with my response. This deals with the issue of slavery.
Beginning in May 07 issue, our topic of discussion is "Bible's X-Rated Theology." Mr. Anbalagan has already submitted his excellent article on "Kamasutra and the Bible." I invite the anyone interested among the readers to come forward and participate on that explosive juicy topic. All I am looking for is well written and well researched paper. Views of the believers as well as those of the non-believers in the Bible are respected and welcomed. You can reach me via email.

In this thread, I post a message explaining the trinity of God as revealed in the Bible versus the God as portrayed in the Guru Granth Sahib.

People do not understand the Godhead – the one God who is revealed as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If Jesus had called Himself as “God”, then the whole message of the gospel of salvation would have no meaning for us. Though Jesus is the God incarnate, He never claimed as such because He was a Man like anyone of us with the same emotions. As a Man, He was glorifying God the Father. It is through the ministry of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is revealed as the God incarnate because the Holy Spirit glories Jesus Christ. If Jesus had said, “I am God. You should worship me”. Then He would not have died for the sins of the world because God never dies. Just to redeem the human race from the sin, God became flesh in Jesus Christ. The moment God became flesh, He became mortal in flesh just to suffer and to die like any of the mortal beings.

I am explaining the concept of trinity in a parable. I am in Delhi. My son is studying in Chennai. I want to reach out my friends in Chennai. Since I am in Delhi, I am asking my son to represent me. He obeys my orders and visits my friends on my behalf conveying my message. My friends are accepting my message through my son. Though my son is a distinct entity, he still represents me only. In a similar manner, God revealed only His Son who is in His bosom. You should not view this spiritual scene in a physical manner but through spiritual eyes. The Father and the Son are not separable because the Son is in His bosom. Nobody has seen the Father but only the Son in His bosom. If I carry my son in my bosom, hide myself behind a veil and ask my friends to see my son, my friends will see only my son. The only difference is that my son can be separated from me whereas the Father and the Son of the Godhead are not separable. We find this truth in the first chapter of John’s gospel. It says that the Word (Christ) was God.

Let us now read Paul’s epistle to Philippines (2nd chapter)


Who (Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The Son of God became the Son of Man. This is the gospel message. We see the God the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father. Let us note the verse 7 above. It says Jesus was in the form of God. Guru Nanak is not portrayed as such.


According to the unknown author, who wants to remain unknown, “God is neither born and nor does He die. He is omnipotent, omnipresent, and all knowing and thus He is everywhere, in everything and can do anything and everything”.

I have learnt from some of my Sikh friends who have been posting messages in this website that Sikhism portrays the Creator God as a formless Person with no attributes. If there is a formless God, He cannot be omnipresent at all. Presence means being present in a manner that is discernible. If I say I am present in my house, I have a personality or a form. If I have no form, I cannot be said to be present at all.

Then if God is omnipotent, then He creates and destroys. He cannot be an idol without power. He cannot be a robot to be activated by a man.


An unknown author who claims to be a former Christian in this forum quotes from Guru Granth Sahib as follows in another thread:

Guru Granth Sahib, the Holy Scripture of Sikhs states, “O my friend, you dignity lies in merging in the one whom you originated from”. Guru Granth Sahib further says (page 1426-1429), “The one who is not affected by happiness, pain, greed, emotional attachment and egotistical pride. The one who is beyond praise and slander, and treats iron and gold alike. The one who is not touched by pain or pleasure, and treats his friends and enemies alike. The one who does not terrorize anyone and neither is afraid of anybody. The one who has left all the materialistic things, renounces wealth and have detached himself from this world, The one who recites the name of God day and night. That person becomes the image of Lord, he becomes united with God and merges in the fearless Lord. There no longer remains any difference between that person and God. That person and God become One.” Sikh Gurus had become One with God before they preached about God in this world…”

I believe God is defined as above in the Guru Granth Sahib. If there is a God who is not affected by happiness and pain, he cannot be a God at all. If God created a man in His own image, God should have all the emotions of happiness, pain, etc. The Bible is the only Book that defines the Person of God. If God is not affected by greed, etc, then God has no emotions at all. Then he is an idol only. Then the greedy people will rule the world. Unrighteousness will triumph over righteousness. If God is not affected by pride, then God will allow the prideful people to rule the world. Then the sin of pride will become the attribute of God.

What type of a God the Sikh Scriptures portray? If God is beyond praise, then the Sikhs need not go to Gurdwara to worship Him because He does not want praises of men. If God is beyond slander, then God would kill or destroy those who slander Him in which case He must have the attribute of wrath or vengeance.

If God “has left all the materialistic things”, this means God had attachment to the materialistic things in the past which He has repudiated later. Please note that God is the Creator of the universe including the materialistic things that you see. If “God has detached Himself from the materialism”, this means God had been attached to materialism earlier. What type of a God these people present here?

Again this unknown writer says, “The one who recites the name of God day and night becomes the image of Lord and gets united with God”. Why should someone recite the name of God who is beyond all the praises and the emotions? Ridiculous!

The Bible talks of the God Who created the earth and the heaven. He is above materialism because He is the Creator and above all. There is no darkness in Him because He is the Light. He is omnipotent – powerful to create and destroy. He is omnipresent – being present in His sovereign Form who is not seen by man.

Job,

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Today I present my views in a second instalment.

At the outset, I challenge you to prove your Christian faith. How did you become a Christian? Whether you have received the assurance of salvation through the forgiveness of all your sins? All religions including Sikhism condemn and expose sins. You cannot say that you do not know the meaning of "sin".


If you do not possess the Spirit of Christ as a mark of your being a Christian, it does not make any difference in your life even if you convert to another religion. Christianity is not a religion at all. It is the way of life – a life of victory over sin and death – a life of holiness – a life of death to self and of living for Christ.

< Sikhs believe in worshipping the true lord, the unborn,undying and sexless waheguru and by chanting his name all sins are washed away >

Point No.1

Second proof The first Supreme Being or Light that Dispels the Darkness-Guru Nanak with his own hands at the order of God wrote Hymns that say the Earth and many planets are round. I will now Quote a Divine Poetic Quote translated from Gurmuki, that teaches that not only is Earth Round but there are uncountable Earths(planets), Uncountable Solar Systems around which they orbit, Uncountable Galaxies. Chris Hammer, you know that it was only a few decades ago when "Hubble" an astronomer discovered that we live in a Galaxy, then much later Hubble discovered that there are many Galaxies outside our own. Well Mr. Hammer, the Sikh Holy Scripture which is the only Holy Book written by the Founder(s) of its faith. That is like saying Jesus wrote the Bible, instead of Chauvinistic men 100's of years after Jesus died.

My comments:

Guru Nanak ji has merely written what he has discovered through his faculty of mind. The God of the Bible created all things, both seen and unseen. He existed in the beginning – before the creation of the solar systems, planets, galaxies, etc. Poets write hymns out of their intelligence and creativity. It is a God-given talent or gift. “In the beginning, God created the earth and the heaven” (Gen.1:1).

< Job, Guru Nanak did not have any telescope but mention there are many moons,planets,suns and the universe is ever expanding, and there are hindreds of these phrases in the Guru Granth Sahib.Guru Nanak mention this is true in the beginning and true 550 years ago when God told him and ever true today. There are other phrases in reference to science which will put even today scientist in shame.
There are phrases mentions, there are worlds after worlds in this universe. Even Galileo who is a scientist with his scientific knowledge whom christian tried to hang and kill did not have that much knowledge what Guru Nanak wrote.No man can write like this is his faculty of mine. Remember this was written 500 year ago, he mention there are millions of suns, there is even life in fire, water is created from air, there are millions of moons,solar systems . Just key in "planets,solar systems ,moons" in our online Guru Granth Sahib
in www.sikhnet.com.Why wasn't these information noted in the bible, after this true in the beginning>


Point No.2

The Guru Granth Sahib, over 540 years ago stated that their were Countless Galaxies, Galileo was not born until 100 years later. Guru Nanak did not have a Telescope or vast scientific resources like Galileo did. If that is not enough & you demand Sikhs to have prophesy to be valid, then I will give you something no human not even Jesus knew, the Gurus said there are Universes upon Universes, Spheres upon Spheres. What this means is that when you reach the end of our 15 billion light years size Universe, go many times that distance into empty space, you will encounter the neighboring Universe, keep traveling and the scenario will repeat. Now the Spheres upon Spheres means that about 400 trillion Universes each the size of our one Universe make a Spherical structures called a Sphere, & that there are countless numbers of these huge Spheres each containing Trillions of Universes.

My comments:

True, Guru Granth Sahib, which was written over 540 years ago, speak about the wonderful creations of God, science, etc. Why do you talk about the universes that you have not seen, the spheres you have not seen, just to conclude that it was only through Guru Nanak or the Granth Sahib you get revelations about these creatures? See what you see through your own eyes i.e. your life on this earth, your family, your friends, your office, the sky, the sea, the galaxies, etc. When you are not sure of what will happen to you tomorrow, or when you do not know what is in store for you in this very world, why should you go to a world of imagination to know about a life which you have not seen – a world which you have not seen? Jesus speaks about the world which you live here, and about a life after death which is a reality. A human being has to die one day.

You may be studying about the astronomy and the science but may miss the great salvation for your soul.

< Janet was questioning the truth contain in the bible compared to the Guru Granth Sahib. You need to explain why God missed out these planetry system information in bible, after all it's the word of God.Are you trying to tell us the perfect lord God just forgot>

Point No.3

Now Mr. Job, your God is a God of 1 Flat Earth, 1 spiritual heaven, & 1 Spiritual Hell! The Sikh God as I mentioned above is bigger, his Earth is a Sphere, he is master of many Planets, Universes, Galaxies etc.. plus his is master of countless Physical Heavens in addition to 1 Spiritual Heaven + countless Physical Hells in addition to 1 Spiritual Hell! So your God Mr. Hammer is quite small in power etc... How come your Bible did not mention this.

My comments:

The God whom we worship is a not a God of one flat earth, or one spiritual heaven, etc. He is the God of the earth and of the heaven. He is the Creator of all things, both seen and unseen, both temporal and eternal. The Bible need not mention in detail about the created things like the dimension of the earth, shape of the earth, etc, because all such knowledge is not very essential for the salvation of men. There are scientists, doctors, astronauts, etc. to discover what God has created. Why should God fill the space of His Word with all these details? He has revealed what is required for our living. Even then, there are many passages in the Bible that speak about certain scientific or other kinds of discoveries.

The Bible says in Job 26:7: “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing”. Can the science deny this truth?

< Job, The bible did stress out the world is flat, if you need me to show you the phrases we can give you in my other writings.>

It also says, “ Iron is taken out of the earth and brass is molten out of the stone” (Job 28:2). Can you deny it? Do you know that many scientists were influenced by the Bible while discovering what God created?

< Many things are taken from Earth, even the corrot we eat is from Earth, this is not science. This is a known knowledge even before the bible came to exist less than 2000 years ago. Well if you mention water is created from Air, that would be amazing since this was discovered this century. Well i have bad news for you,God forgot to include this info in the bible but somehow remembered this when he pass this information to Guru Nanak>

Point No.4

Now to give you a prophesy, in the Future your Scientists will discover that the Sikh religion was correct when Guru Nanak stated there are Universes upon Universes, then much further into the future your Scientists will eventual realize that Trillions of these Universes form a Sphere. Below is the Quote! Enjoy!

"There are worlds upon worlds, solar systems upon solar systems, galaxies upon galaxies, universes upon universes, spheres upon spheres, They function according to Command of God. God gets joy by thinking of and beholding His Creation;"

"Beyond this Earth, there are many more and more earths. What power bears their load from underneath? (Not the supposed bull, but God's Force)."

"God's One Word created the world's expansion. And lacs of rivers began to flow."

"There are nether worlds and more nether worlds below them and there are lakhs of skies over them. Limitless the worlds beneath, limitless the worlds above. One may grow weary of searching out His limits. One can never reach the end of His Vastness."

"The continents, worlds and solar system, established by God, sing His glories. God's enlightened beings steeped in the Name, who are pleasing to God, sing His praises"

"God has His seat and His storehouses in all the worlds. Whatever is stored, was put only once for all, enough forever!"

"How many Indras, moons, suns, and how many Star Systems[Surya Mandals], and stars, How many [countless], Siddh, Buddhas [like Gautama Buddha], Nath [Gurus], and how many forms and incarnations of Devi [Durga],How many Angles, Demons, Speakars of Truth[Muni], and countless Oceans having precious stones,"

My comments:

Prophecy has nothing to do with the creative work of God. Creation of the earth and of the heaven is a fait accompli. Prophecy is in the now. Let us not bother the prophecies that have already taken place. Let us concern ourselves with the prophecies that are being fulfilled just before our eyes and the prophecies that are yet to take place.

God existed in the beginning of everything including prophecy. The author of the Granth Sahib must have been influenced by the Bible that states that God’s one word created the world. Yes, thousands of rivers began to flow from the creative work of God that was in the beginning. A river flows from a mountain which came into existence when God created the earth. Yes, one may grow weary of searching out the Wisdom of God who created all these wonderful things which you see. We are not disputing the same.

< How can you claim, Guru Nanak took the idea of these science from the bible. Please show us these same phrases in the bible. Please answer to the question>




Point No.6

The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, "The Light that Dispels the Darkness", wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems."

The Sikh religion states there is only one "SAT GURU" meaning True God. When I refer to Guru Nanak as a First Supreme Being, it means Pala Mehel or First Mehel, it does not mean GOD. God is The One Supreme Being, the Gurus were one step below as Supreme Beings under the One True Supreme Being. The word GURU comes from 2 words GU & RU, GU means Light, RU means Darkness. Combined they mean "The Light That Dispels The Darkness" or simply GURU. Clearly each of the 10 Gurus were and are Supreme Beings working for God the One True Supreme Being. Guru Nanak walked the Land like Jesus, only difference is Nanak walked much further distances, in fact Nanak at a minimum based on other nations historical records walked enough to circle the Earth 3 times over. But in the future I feel the distance record will increase even further, for example the nation of ITALY has villagers reporting their ancestors made company with Nanak, and the Provincial Governments of CHINA are reporting, that they had visits by Nanak, they have now proved that Nanking province And Nanaking City were named to Honor First Supreme Being Nanak.

My comments:

The definition of Sat Guru applies only to Christ Jesus. He is the Guru we preach. Guru Nanak took birth and then died about 500 years ago. He himself has not claimed to be the first supreme being. The Sikh Gurus laid down their lives for certain good causes but not for our salvation. The One true Guru who laid down His life for our salvation is None by Christ Jesus.

< Salvation is not through a dead man, but through the formless lord .The Granth did mention to be careful of people claiming some dead man will come back to claim his people>

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You have not read the Bible thoroughly and carefully. God cursed the serpent (i.e. devil) saying that the seed of the woman i.e. Jesus Christ would bruise the head of the serpent and the serpent in turn would bruise the heel of the seed of the woman i.e. the heel representing the Church.

It is your misreading of the Bible and lack of knowledge of the Bible about the importance given to women that led to your believing a lie.

< Job, by contrast we believe you have not reading the bible properly , you are amazing, you claim the bible is full of sceince and Guru Nanak took all these sceintific knowlegdge from the bible. However there is no sceince in the bible. The bible contradicts to most science findings these days.Show us where does it say there are many moons, round planets, millions of suns, moons....in the bible>


Please do not think that by converting to Sikhism, you will get a husband who will treat you with all the love and affection. You are completely mistaken here.

< Well at least she will get a chance to keep her last name >

Point No.10

The Tenth Supreme Being Guru Govind Singh, when traveling by the woods, got of his horse upon the sight of a Tombacoo Plant (Tobacco Plant). He then drew his Kirpan (holy Sword) and chopped it up, then with his feet he smeared it into the ground. Onlookers belonging to many different religions, asked the Tenths Supreme Being, why have you destroyed that plant? The Tenth Supreme Being replied " Alcohol will destroy one Generation, But Tombacoo will destroy many generations.

Job, as you know it was only about 11 years ago that Scientist discovered that Second hand Tobacco Smoke kills, thus destroying(damaging or killing) the fetus and destroying the lives of children & great Grand Children & friends. So because the 10th Supreme Being was in constant communications with the One True Supreme Being(Ik Onkar, Sat Nam) he had access to absolute Science. Did the Men who wrote the Holy Bible not know about Tobacco, were the not in communication with the One True Creator? Sikhism is the only Faith that forbids Tobacco in its Scriptures. Read the English Translations by SANT SINGH KHALSA, also a MD! I only hope that God will let me earn the only True Degree there is the "Degree of Divine Sikhia".



My comments:


A Christian is not supposed to consume liquor and to smoke because the Bible tells that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. You might have come across the Christianity of the west which is not Biblical. Those who smoke and drink alcohol are not the Christians at all. They are nominal Christians.

< Are you trying to tell christians in India are perfect, they do not drink and smoke or go to prison.
Check your facts again>

Point No.11

Read the next post, then you will see the proof!

Until the past 12 years I when to Church every Sunday, now hopefully I will get to go to Gurdwara any day of the week as convenient. Instead of hearing a fiery sermon, I will get to enjoy Divine Music & Hymns!

And JOB, Only Ik Onkar or One Creators name is Precious, not a Nice Guy named Jesus. I get the impression you are a Religious Fanatic, something that the Sikh Dharm shuns. Because Fanaticism puts a wall between ones spiritual connection to One True Creator.

Sikhs don't waste time spreading Sikhism like other religions do because, one does not give away Diamonds. I am lucky I came across this True Diamond, I only hope I have the IQ it takes to follow the Super Advanced Spiritual Teachings of the "Lights that Dispel the Darkness or Gurus".

My comments:

Do you know the meaning of the name “Jesus”? Jesus means one who forgives the sin of His people. I am not a religious fanatic at all. Please do not use the word “religion” while addressing me. I have my close friends from all religions.

If Sikhs do not waste time spreading Sikhism, why many people post messages in this forum questioning the Christian faith and the Christian doctrines. We have been specifically asked by our Guru to preach His gospel to every creature in this world.

< Well we are posting now since we belief in the truth and now since the truth are under attack more sikhs will take their arms and form missionaries and spread the truth around this globe.>

Part 4

See, I am not the only one that knows a Turban gives a Cranial Adjustment. It is a law of Physics, not Indian culture. Sikhism is from the future, Indian is from the past, you can take the wayward path if you like. . I as a very Modern American, know I am becoming even more Modern by adopting the Guru's (the Lights that Dispel the Darkness)teachings and way of life. If Punjabi Sikhs misbehave they loose big time. I have looked at all Religions and Sikhism is the only Dharm that can exist in its current form on any Planet in Any Universe, maybe the Punjabi Sikhs don't deserve this best of all Universal Knowledge anymore.

I wore a Kara to the last continuing medical education seminar, and some of my colleagues asked me about it. So I told them what it was and about Sikh Dharm, they showed great interest in learning more. Two of the ladies from the group asked where they could get a translation of the Sikh Holy book. Page 14 of the Khalsa Consensus Translation must be what peaked there interest! If God gave me more time, I know it would be so easy to get far more individuals interested in Sikhism!

My comments:

Read the Old Testament. Jews and the Old Testament saints like Joshua were tearing Turbans. I am of the opinion that you have not read the Bible, especially, the New Testament books which speak about every aspect of your present life, salvation, etc. First, read the Bible with an open mind and with a heart to search for the truth. You are free to convert to Sikhism and to propagate the tenets of Sikhism. But on the day of judgment, when you stand before God, you cannot plead that nobody taught you the truth concerning salvation, etc. The message that I write here would testify against you and you cannot plead ignorance.

< Job, you are refering to a book written by mens. Are u sure you want to gamble with verses writtent by men and not God >

I now respond to the post of Shaun Singh. (We will be away from Delhi from 18th to 31st December. I may not find time to participate in the forum. We will be in Dubai. If I find time, I will give my replies. Otherwise, I will repudiate every point and every lie when I come back to Delhi)

Please note that God is unborn, undying and sexless. Though He is sexless, God is always known by the masculine gender only. Can the Sikhs refer to God as “He” or “She”. "Sexless" means God is a Spirit and not in flesh possessing a physical body like us.

I do not understand as to why you are always referring to the discoveries made by Guru Nanak about moons, planets, etc. I urge you to take a comprehensive course on the discoveries made by scientists and then compare each such discovery with the discoveries made by Guru Nanak. You mention about the “great” discoveries made by Guru Nanak but miss the great salvation of souls through the atoning Blood of Jesus Christ. Please do not debate on this subject any more. For the sake of argument, I agree that Guru Nanak is a great scientist.

Let Janet question the truths contained in the Bible by quoting the verses from the Bible verbatim. Let her question what is revealed in the Bible. Let her not question what is not revealed. God reveals to us only what we need. God creates and man discovers. It is for the man to tell us about how he has been discovering all these things.

It is not question of the world being a flat or an oval shape. Even if it is a flat one, it is by our vision. If you see the world through your eyes sitting in USA, you will not see a oval shape at all. You will see only a flat earth on which you are sitting. It is not the mere discovery of how the earth looks like. The Bible is concerned about our sins only. Even the whole world is in the grip of sins. We, the people in this earth, are more concerned about murders, rapes, adultery, etc.

Guru Nanak who was born about 500 years ago was definitely influenced by what was discovered before or during his life period. It is a plain truth. No proof is required to prove this point. I was born in the year 1949. I was influenced by what happened prior to 1949 and during my life time. It is the law of the science. Guru Nanak was a human being like anyone of us. He learnt many things through his head. Please leave Guru Nanak and Science. Please confine yourself to Guru Nanak Ji and the issue of salvation from sins.

You again repeat here that the Lord is formless. When you have a form, the Creator who created you has no form. It is illogical and ridiculous. It is against the principles of the law of science. If He has no form, according, He is likened to the air or to the fire. In the Exodus chapter, God revealed Himself to Moses through fire, torpedo, etc. If you have a form, that is revealed through your photo or image. Similarly, God has a Form which is revealed through His Word (Christ). If the Granth warns against the doctrine of dead man coming back to life, it has nothing to do with the Resurrection of Jesus Christ which is a historical truth. Jesus will claim His people not as a dead man but as Messiah during His second advent. You are creating a god according to your own imagination. A god without a form! But you claim he is omnipotent and omnipresent.

You argue that I have not read the Bible properly. But as a former Christian, you have not known the basic doctrines of the Bible concerning Creation, Person of Godhead, salvation, etc. You always speak about scientific knowledge. Please note knowledge cannot guarantee salvation. You have to receive salvation from God by faith, and not by knowledge.

Let the Sikh missionaries take their arms to spread the truth around this globe. But we spread the gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit. Our weapons are not canal but spiritual, pulling down every false doctrine, every knowledge that exalts above the knowledge of God.

I am not referring to a book written by men but to a book written by holy men inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Dear Shaun Singh, do you have any other valid point to debate here. We have been hearing the same arguments presented by you. There is nothing new in your latest post.

Let us not discuss about the discoveries made by men so as to question the authenticity of the Bible. God created all things in the beginning which we are now discovering. What Guru Nanak discovered was created by the Biblical God in the beginning. We see through our eyes the earth as a flat shaped one, and not as a globe because through your eyes you cannot see the earth as a globe at all. If the Bible has revealed the earth as a flat shaped one, it is for us to discover the shape of the earth through our scientists or astronomers. The Bible teaches us not the discoveries to be made by us but the salvation plan of God for us. Just because we have discovered the earth as a globe, we cannot come to the conclusion that the Bible is wrong. Please note that the Bible teaches us to some extent about the discoveries made by me n who lived during the Bible period in a manner to be understood by us through our senses of seeing.

The logic given by you to disprove the Bible is erroneous. The father explains everything to his little child in a manner to be understood by the latter. Just because the father teaches as such to his child, it cannot be proved that the father does not exist or the father is wrong in his teaching. The father teaches his child in a phased manner. Similarly, God teaches us about His creations in a phased manner as and when discovered by men.

(I now respond to Comment #24 (Posted by Bikramjit Singh).

Dear Bikramjit Singh,

Thank you for your views. I had merely put a question to you all to tell me whether the God whom the Sikhs worship is known by the masculine gender or not. You could not answer me. Please note that sex is not a physical attribute. Man was created in the image of God. Man has a masculine gender. Suppose, a man dies and after his death, his soul is there. How will you call the dead man? How do you call Guru Nanakji today? Do you refer him as “he” or “she”? After the death of a man, he has no physical body with sex. But still he is known by his masculine gender only. Please answer me. Please do not run away from my question.


If the Bible tells you that the sun is 100 miles from the earth, it all depends upon the sense of seeing. By his vision, a man judges that the earth is 100 miles away from the earth. God created the sun. Why should He tell us about the distance of the sun from the earth? It is for man to discover its distance from the earth, etc. Yes, we agree that every religion has got its good moral teachings. Sikhism exhorts us to feed the hungry. Truly, my Sikh brethren and sisters are feeding the poor in Gurdwaras which the Christians are doing so. But what we debate here the salvation aspect. No Guru died for our sins so as to give us salvation. Please read the Bible to know that Jesus, the Lamb of God was slain not just 2000 years ago but before the foundation of the earth. How do you say that Adam’s sons and daughters entered into an incestuous relationship? Please read Gen.4:17. It is written, “Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch”. The Bible does not tell us that Cain married his own sister, when Adam and Eve had only two sons i.e. Abel and Coin.

In the first chapter of Genesis, in verses 27-28, we find that “God created man in His own image, in the mage of God created him; male and female created He them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it…..” Then you find in the second chapter of Genesis that God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into His nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, and that the Lord God planted a garden in Eden and there He put the man whom He had formed…..” then the story of creation of Adam and Eve goes on. This shows that at the time God created Adam out of the dust, the children of men were there. Please tell us from the Bible where it is written that Abel married his own sister.

Creation of God in seven days can be proved scientifically. If a man can make a car or an airplane in just matters of hours, why cannot God create the world in just seven days? The Bible says that one day in our sight is equivalent to 1000 years in the sight of God. God’s work is through eternity and has no time limit. You cannot put the Creator in a time frame.

If Guru Nanak taught that we are judged according to our own actions, our actions include the acts of omission and of commission. It definitely includes your and my sins. Yes, no father or mother, etc. can bear the sins of their children or their forefathers. Only the sinless Lamb of God bore the sins of this world, not just 2000 years ago but before the foundation of the world.

If you have a soul, what is the shape of the soul? Please answer me. You cannot measure the width, the height of your soul. It cannot be in squares, rectangles, cube or oblong. When you have not seen your own soul, how can you see the Spirit of God through your mortal eyes? God is a Spirit. A spirit has its own form. It cannot be formless like air, water, etc. But even if you put the air in a balloon, it has a form. If you put the water in a bottle, it has a form. Similarly, the spirit of a man has a form or an image.

The truth of resurrection is not merely in my head but the historical evidence testifies to it. There are many records, apart from the gospels, to prove this truth.

The bible presents a perfect God who has all the attributes whereas you present a god who is an idol without attributes like wrath, etc. When you say that God is love, you are ignoring His other attributes of holiness and righteousness. It is not the view of a stone age because even today the sin is the problem of the whole world. The Biblical God cannot be compared to a Greek god. He is holy, righteous, merciful, omnipotent, omnipresent compassionate, and eternal. If you are angry with your children who disobey you, why cannot the God be angry with His children who disobey Him and commit sin?

I reciprocate the Christmas greetings of our dear brother Shaun Singh. We wish him, his family and others a happy Christmas and a prosperous new year.

We send our greetings from Dubai to all the members of SAC and friends who visit our website.


Job Anbalagan
http://gloryofhiscross.org

My family (punjabis)just recently reverted to Sikhism. Our grandparents embraced christianity prior to the Partition. Our outlook on others have change.

I write this message in regard to the comments of our Sikh friends that the Bible has stated that the earth is a flat one. But I find in Isaiah 40:22 as follows:

"It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."

The Lord is sitting upon the circle of the earth. Circle does not mean "flat".

I now respond to Comment #32 posted by Kanwar Nijjer. Though Kanwar addressed this to Pritam Singh Sandhu, I have every right to answer to the points raised by him because I have to present the truth by exposing the lie.

You say, “God is in you”. As a born sinner, one cannot look for God inside his/her soul. Only after the washing of the sins from the soul, one can look for God. One cannot find the holy God inside the sin-stained soul.


God is not found in any religious book like Guru Granth Sahib, Bible, Koran etc. I do not find God in the Bible but I do find God in Christ Jesus because He is in God the Father and God the Father in Him. Jesus is the God incarnate.

You cannot look for God without possessing the Spirit of Christ in your life. You have to open your eyes and to see God through your spiritual eyes. He has already been revealed to us. You can meet Him face to face if you accept Jesus Christ in your life. Pastor Pritam Singh need not show you God to you. He has already published a testimony of a Sikh priest who has found God. By presenting the testimony of a Sikh priest, Pritam Singh is not showing any disrespect to the Sikh religion at all.

No doubt, you love the poetry in Guru Granth Sahib. Even the Bible contains wonderful poetries which no human being can easily understand through his human wisdom.

Please note that the Bible does not merely tell us about the stories of Jesus. It shows us the path of salvation in very clear terms. Please enlighten us about the depth of Guru Granth Sahib by comparing the same with the truths contained in the Bible.

The Bible only tells me about the way of salvation. Dear Kanwar, please enlighten us about the way of salvation as presented in Guru Granth Sahib.


Mr.Kanwar, you have written that you wanted a Christian pastor to convert you. Please note that salvation through the forgiveness of sins is given only by Jesus Christ and not by a Christian pastor. The Christian pastor merely preaches the gospel of salvation and does not convert people to any religion.

Please do not run away from the debate. I want you to enlighten us about the depth of Guru Granth Sahib by comparing the same to the truth concerning the way of salvation as presented in the Bible.

Brother Job. Response to comment # 33.

Does the Bible say the earth is flat? See below and make your own conclusion.

1 Samuel 2:8, 10

The foundations of the earth are the LORD's; upon them he has set the world...the LORD will judge the ends of the earth.

< The ends here refers to a FLAT World >
Psalm 104:5

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

< Earth can never be moved? Earth is a rotating sphere correct and not a stationary object >

Isaiah 11:12 (NKJV)

He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

< 4 corners of the Earth refers to a square >

Dear Shaun Singh,

The Lord’s judgment on the ends of the earth does not mean judgment on the earth which consists of sand, rock, oil, water, etc. He judges the people who reside on the earth from its four corners. Four corners mean four directions i.e. east, west, north and south.

Four corners of the earth do not refer to the shape of the earth as a square.

Yes, the earth can never be moved by any power in this world. Earth is rotating. But it cannot be removed from its place except by the power of God.


Maharaja Duleep Singh might have reconverted to Sikh religion after he had embraced the Christian religion. He merely switched his loyalty to some religion only and did not have the experience of meeting the living Christ in his life. Please note that new birth in Christ Jesus or salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ does not involve changing one’s original name. The Sikh brethren and sisters who accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior were born in the Spirit of God. They died to their sins and became new creatures in Jesus Christ. There was absolutely no need for them to change their original names at all.


Job Anbalagan
http://whoisthisjesus.googlepages.com