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<channel><title><![CDATA[South Asian Connection - Portal for South Asian Christians - Comments for article: I Have Received Unlimited Grace, Mercy And Favor from a Holy and Righteous God.]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com</link><description /><language>en-us</language><copyright><![CDATA[http://www.southasianconnection.com]]></copyright><generator>N/A</generator><webMaster>info@southasianconnection.com</webMaster><lastBuildDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:59:17 MDT</lastBuildDate><ttl>20</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #1]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2588</link><description><![CDATA[A wonderful testimony of what Lord Jesus Christ can do in anyone's life. I say it because I was saved by His grace as well and am living a renewed and peaceful life.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Manmohan Sethi at 12:08 pm, Mon 19th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Manmohan Sethi)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:08:53 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2588</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #2]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2589</link><description><![CDATA[Love you, Lu<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Tony at 12:54 pm, Mon 19th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Tony)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:54:54 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2589</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #3]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2595</link><description><![CDATA[I have enjoyed your testomony, and you have inspired me to hunger for Jesus.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Balbir Singh at 10:53 am, Tue 20th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Balbir Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:53:03 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2595</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #4]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2596</link><description><![CDATA[Thank you brother for sharing your testimony with us.
May God bless you and your family abundantly. It is true that we got saved only by His mercy and by His grace, not by our good deeds.

www.thywillismywill.org
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(Comment posted by Hazoor Singh at 11:08 am, Tue 20th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Hazoor Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:08:14 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2596</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #5]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2600</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Lu,

I enjoyed reading your testimony especially in contrast to thousands of testimonies of former Christians de-converting.  I couldn’t help but notice few areas that I must comment and perhaps you can clarify.

1.  It is clear from your testimony you come from a background of a Sikh family and were raised in the essentials of the Sikh religion.  

2.  Then you stated, “Then i thought, since I am already worshipping many Gurus and Gods.”  I am lost at your word “Gods.”  As little as I know that in Sikh religion, God is described as one and not many. Did you convert to Hinduism somewhere along the travels?

3.  Why I suspect at your testimony is also because you followed the above statement with “so let me add Jesus also to the list of already existing Gods. So I decided to listen to the Pastor and accept Jesus.” Frankly I have come across a number of Hindus who think exactly that way and never shirked from embracing Jesus as another addition to the pantheon. It seems to me you were doing the same. Were you a Hindu or a Sikh?

4.  In the white telephone pages, your name is Lu Luthra. Did you drop “Gurdeep” altogether? If so then why keep “Luthra” which signifies a sub-caste name. 

5. I am glad to read that your conversion story is devoid of magic and miracles. Oddly, you converted for merely a suggestion from someone else. Why? With your education, I was expecting that you would at least read the Bible from cover to cover before converting.

<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by GB Singh at 6:09 am, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:09:13 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2600</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #6]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2603</link><description><![CDATA[Dearest Brother, 
   I rejoice in the news of your conversion, do not be dishearten by the negative comments you may get but rejoice in persecution and adversity because just as Christ was scoffed at by the wicked so will we be. I stand shoulder to shoulder with you because I get alot of flak too, for being Christian and of Sikh orgin. God is moving among the Sikhs. Do not lose heart when your Sikh brethren mock you as a "convert" because not only was Sikhism based on the pre-text of conversion from hinduism but we are all new creations in Christ Jesus. 
Anyway, just out of curiosity I checked out the Luthras and I found that they belong to the kshatriya group of people.  They are the warrior and ruling caste in the varna system. The word means the protector of land. They are supposed to uphold the code of honour, bravery and loyalty. Everyone in the military and governing hierarchy from king to village chief and from general to foot-soldier is a kshatriya. 
Thats cool, because your leadership and soldier genes makes you good soldiers for Christ. 
I thank you for loving the God we love. Thank you Brother, for your bravery in making a stand for Christ.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Rajwin Singh Sandhu at 7:46 am, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Rajwin Singh Sandhu)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:03 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2603</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #7]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2604</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Rajwin,

You and I have conversed before and you have never answered to my serious questions of slavery commanded by the God of the Bible. I recognize you are a young man and have a long fruitful life ahead. In your comment # 6 you abused the English language. Were you persecuted? When was another Christian persecuted on SAC? When another Christian faced an adversity on SAC? Use of any language properly is something we must be careful of.

To your credit, you found what “Luthra” means within the varna system. Just to update you, varna means color. Yes color of the skin. “Luthra” being an upper caste (sub-caste) grouping, it signifies membership of a racial group. You have to wonder how much of racism is practiced by these upper caste members.  Read the Hindu scriptures to understand the “code of honor, bravery and loyalty.” <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by GB Singh at 9:34 am, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:34:39 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2604</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #8]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2610</link><description><![CDATA[Comments on the following statement;

Lu Lutra wrote:

Then i thought, since I am already worshipping many Gurus and Gods, so let me add Jesus also to the list of already existing Gods. So I decided to listen to the Pastor and accept Jesus. I then asked Jesus to come into my heart and repeated the prayer of confession after the Pastor. Personally I could not feel any difference but as soon as I reached Bob’s home, my wife sensed a new glow on my face. She said it was not there before! She asked me,” You found Him today, didn’t you?”. But i didn’t pay much heed to her words cause i felt the same as before. 

Comments:

Sikhs do not worship the Gurus. There is only one God in Sikhi teaching.There is no place for many Gods in Sikhism.

God bless you in your new chosen path.

<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Shaun Singh at 2:56 pm, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Shaun Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:56:54 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2610</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #9]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2611</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Rajwin Singh Sandhu,

We are not here to attack anyone beliefs but to correct errors noted on sikhi teachings.For Example  Lu Lutra Mention on sikhs actually worship the 10 Gurus and many GODS. You will not receive any FLAX from any Sikhs if you do show more sensitivity to other people beliefs.Most sikhs have no issues if you would like to follow any other religions afterall, sikhs belief there is ONE GOD with many paths.

As for GOD is moving among the Sikhs,this can be the other WAY too since we are seing more and more christians embracing sikhi. Convertion is going both WAYS my young freind.We do have any census to compare but Seems God is moving among both Sikhs and Christians..lol.Hey i even met one former lutheran member who now call himself a " Sikh Christian".That is probably a new denomination.

God Bless<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Shaun Singh at 3:18 pm, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Shaun Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:18:51 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2611</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #10]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2613</link><description><![CDATA[Lu Luthra testimony speaks for itself. If you seek, you will find! He has found a treasure of great value in Jesus and is even willing to sacrifice his life and future for it. Tell me, this life of his is worth ten thousand of eloquent words or arguments. Talk about laying your life down for the Truth found in Jesus. It's a total experience of mind, intellect, soul and spirit. God consciousness to the max with the divine presence of the Holy Spirit all the time. I practise the presence of God daily and the sweetness of God saturates my whole being 24/7. BTW - I am a Punjabi Christian and an educated working professional. I have left Sikhism because there is a severe disconnect between the practise of faith, family life, religious life and reality. My experience in Sikhism was one of EMPTINESS and continual loss. Now in Christ, I have become an overcomer of all the sins that once beset me. I have DAILY VICTORY being more than a conqueror in Christ Jesus who LOVED ME AND GAVE HIS LIFE FOR ME. <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Davinder Singh Bhatti at 8:39 pm, Wed 21st Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Davinder Singh Bhatti)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:39:50 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2613</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #11]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2619</link><description><![CDATA[I am suprised at some of you trying to make comments that show no love, in all religions that happens looking at the weakness of others to make ourselfs look great,when you come to Jesus you look at people with the eyes of Jesus and all you see is love. so brothers don't judge, open your heart and recive the truth and change that Jesus brings. Be Blessed. I think The Pastor Luthra's testomony is encouraging.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Joginder Singh at 8:14 am, Thu 22nd Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Joginder Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:14:02 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2619</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #12]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2623</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Bhatti, 

Judging from your writing in comment # 10, you seem to command English language skills necessary for further discussion. I am looking for persons just like yourself who is educated and who can open the Bible with us and be able to read and discuss its contents critically as well as non-critically. <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by GB Singh at 9:43 am, Thu 22nd Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:43:16 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2623</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #13]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2641</link><description><![CDATA[I have enjoyed the testimony of various people in this
website.  Though I was born and brought up in a Christian family, until I came to a pesonal relationship with Christ, I was like any other religious follower.  

Even many so called Christians do not have personal
relationship with Jesus.  When we come to a personal
relationship with Christ and dedicate our lives to be
a follower of Christ, at that point we are born-again.  Anybody who is looking for peace, joy and love in their personal life, accept Jesus Christ as
their Lord and Saviour.  By a simple faith and confession of faith in Christ, there will be a radical change in our life and outlook.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by A.S.Mathew at 4:06 pm, Sun 25th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (A.S.Mathew)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:06:01 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2641</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #14]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2659</link><description><![CDATA[Here are some correspondece I have had with some one, please be kind with your words and if you disagree its ok, don't push your thoughts on others
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From:  "Lu Luthra" <touchworldministries@hotmail.com>
To:  gb7495@hotmail.com
Subject:  RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date:  Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:57:10 -0400
Dear Gb,
I have to regret you are not saved and don't have Jesus in your heart.
Have a blessed Day.
>Don't write back please
Pastor Lu


From: "GB Singh" <gb7495@hotmail.com>
To: touchworldministries@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:30:23 -0400



Dear Pastor Lu,

Nowhere. Neither did I saiy that or meant that. Bible show Jesus' father was a horrible character. Some Biblical scholars even describe him as one heckof a MONSTER. I agree with that description and the evidence is right inside the Bible.

Jesus should have sent a warning to us about his father. Him failing to do so does make me wonder about him.  I am not sure if 
you have read the whole Bible.

Regards

GB Singh



From:  "Lu Luthra" <touchworldministries@hotmail.com>
To:  gb7495@hotmail.com
Subject:  RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date:  Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:48:05 -0400
Dear GB,
Send ME THE VERSE AND SCRIPUTURE WHERE JESUS , CALLS HIS FATHER HORRIBLE.
THANKS
PASTOR Lu


From: "GB Singh" <gb7495@hotmail.com>
To: touchworldministries@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:15:08 -0400



Dear Pastor Lu,

Trust me I have understood the Bible as it is written and I have grasped the "truth" in it. And I am willing to challenge myself I hope we are not beginning to get into circular reasoning. If
Jesus is Father, isn't there many problems in that saying?

As Bible shows the father is a horrible figure. Why would Jesus depict himself in that mode and given the evidence in the Bible,why would you support BG via Jesus? 
Regards

GB Singh
From:  "Lu Luthra" <touchworldministries@hotmail.com>
To:  gb7495@hotmail.com
Subject:  RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date:  Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:10:06 -0400
>Dear GB,
I am a bit disapointed that after you have read the Bible so so many >year and not understood the Truth, thats why you don't feel set
free, The Bible is clear that when Jesus was asked about what is Father was like He said what you see in me , you see in my Father
So how can you say we find refuge in Jesus and ignore His Father.
I am sorry.But you need revealtion of the Word Not just head knoweldge thatyou are walking with.
Pastor Lu

From: "GB Singh" <gb7495@hotmail.com>
:
touchworldministries@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:11:57 -

Dear Pastor Lu,
I can understand why you wouldn't comment on the Biblical God. Iagree with you that this world is ugly but I disagreewithyou more on Jesus. I have read the New Testament many times andI
certainly believe that the image of Jesus comes out to be betterthan his father. However, Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels isfarfrom perfect. Why are you taking refuge in Jesus? What good is
Jesus if his father (Biblical God) is a terrible figure?

Is Jesus an escape for you in light of the ugly world we face?
Please don't take my questions in a negative way.
for many years has given me a better
understanding of whatChristianity is. Your comments are important in my >>understanding of
 >>how others like yourself think of the Bible.

Regards

GB Singh


To:  gb7495@hotmail.com
Subject:  RE: Question 1 on the Bible
Date:  Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:48:58 -0400
Dear GB,
I have read your article on the web site posted I really don't wish to comment, and as far as your question about why people get offenede from reading the Bible because The Word is Alive and brings
convections on the Hearts of the people and in todays society we don't want to be convicted.So my dear brother here is what I would say to you
Keep our eyes only on the person of Jesus because 
everything else is tainted, everything else is skewed, everything else is perverse.  Good isn't
good enough... only perfection will reflect
perfection.  We must look upon

what is perfect if we are to reflect what is perfect.  This world is very
ugly so we must find a way to look beyond the destroyed example of this
world into the face of the one who will resolve
the ugliness and destruction.  Then we can receive and possess the substance of the Kingdom
in our lives but only as the evidence of clean hands and pure hearts after the charater of Christ and His broken body and poured outblood.  We mustlearn to eat
the scroll (Christ the Word) and it will be sweet
to our taste but bitter in our stomach as we attempt to digest the reality of the Word broken and poured out in our lives.
Blessings
Pastor Lu
<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Pastor Lu Luthra at 11:55 am, Wed 28th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Pastor Lu Luthra)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:55:55 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2659</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #15]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2683</link><description><![CDATA[Let me clearify this to some peoples that worshiping and believing is totaly different. every person believes that there is one God. Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, & Muslims they all say that God is one. But worshipping is totaly different part. Peoples worship Idols, pictures, dead mans graves (Mazars), there are many ways and many things they worship. Now one of our sikh brother gived comment that Sikhs believes in one God and they worship Him only. 100 out of 100 Sikhs they have pictures of 10 Guru's, Gurudwara's and saint's at their homes, shops, working places and in Gurudawara's . Every morning and evening they bow their heads (matha tikna) before that photos and worship them and not only that they teach their children's also how to bow their heads before them. Now 90 out 100 Sikhs go to mandir, mazar's and other places and they worship them. And now if you go to Gurudawara's there you will see a Nishan Sahib. That Nishan sahib's Hight is to high, and it shows you that where Gurudawara is but people bow their heads before that also. Even if you go to some saints, Sikhs bow their heads before them too. Here bowing head means matha tikna in gurmukhi. Those who are new in Sikhisim they don't know about this or may be they didn't realize yet. But slowly slowly they will see one day. Even those who are religious Christians for example Catholics, worship photos of Jesus, Mother Marry and they have idols of them in Cathlic Churches. Muslims worhip Mazar's and Hindu's worship Idol's. I am not writting this to offend you or any one else. I am writting it to let you know that stop judging others and start judging your self. First you have to correct your own house.

Brother Lu Luthra ji I was not surprised by reading your comment # 14 I know these kind of peoples Christians or Sikhs they don't read the Bible or GGS to find the Truth but they read to find words for making comments or you can say they try to find the negitave words to show you that you are wrong, and for arguement. They say oh we are not trying to argue we just want some clearifications but truth is that they will argue with you through emails. I know them very well because recently this thing happend with me too.

Thank you for sharing your testimony. May God Bless you and use you more and more in Jesus Name. 

You will find my contact detais from our website. www.thywillismywill.org    <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Hazoor Singh at 11:16 am, Fri 30th Mar 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Hazoor Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:16:51 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2683</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #16]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2705</link><description><![CDATA[My Comments in < >

Hozoor wrote

Let me clearify this to some peoples that worshiping and believing is totaly different. every person believes that there is one God. Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, & Muslims they all say that God is one. But worshipping is totaly different part. Peoples worship Idols, pictures, dead mans graves (Mazars), there are many ways and many things they worship. Now one of our sikh brother gived comment that Sikhs believes in one God and they worship Him only. 100 out of 100 Sikhs they have pictures of 10 Guru's, Gurudwara's and saint's at their homes, shops, working places and in Gurudawara's . Every morning and evening they bow their heads (matha tikna) before that photos and worship them and not only that they teach their children's also how to bow their heads before them. Now 90 out 100 Sikhs go to mandir, mazar's and other places and they worship them. And now if you go to Gurudawara's there you will see a Nishan Sahib. That Nishan sahib's Hight is to high, and it shows you that where Gurudawara is but people bow their heads before that also. Even if you go to some saints, Sikhs bow their heads before them too. Here bowing head means matha tikna in gurmukhi. Those who are new in Sikhisim they don't know about this or may be they didn't realize yet. But slowly slowly they will see one day. Even those who are religious Christians for example Catholics, worship photos of Jesus, Mother Marry and they have idols of them in Cathlic Churches. Muslims worhip Mazar's and Hindu's worship Idol's. I am not writting this to offend you or any one else. I am writting it to let you know that stop judging others and start judging your self. First you have to correct your own house.

Shaun< Hazoorji, your % is an error, not all sikhs do what you claimed(probably 10-20%). We have our own problem and we do agree with your observation above. We are working towards the true teachings of Guru Nanak, however this is not an easy task with many weak mines out there. None of my Gurdawa members or any sikh i personally know goes to mandir,worship idols,graves,etc .However it's true some sikhs do that.Christians to have it's own problems with many sects, cults, false miracles,dera systems,false preachers. What are you doing about it?> For real teachings of Sikhism go to : www.realsikhism.com
or www.projectnaad.com
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(Comment posted by Shaun Singh at 7:24 am, Tue 3rd Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Shaun Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:24:58 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2705</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #17]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2717</link><description><![CDATA[Contradictions of theory & practice within Sikhism

Theory: a casteless society
Practice: division of Jatts, Mazbhi, Bhape, & others. Continual discrimination against mazbhi & other lower caste members. Caste pride of Jatts. There are even different gurudwaras for the different castes

Theory: applying tilak on forehead, or ashes on body by hindus, and saffron robes by buddhists is useless
Practice: sikhs wear the 5 k’s (turban, sword etc.)

Theory: places of pilgrimage eg: mecca for muslims & ganges river for hindus are useless
Practice: various places of pilgrimage in India, especially the Golden Temple

Theory: abstinence of alcohol & meat
Practice: among the highest consumers of alcohol & meat in India

Theory: honest living
Practice: many sikhs, even religious leaders are corrupt. Some gurudwara leaders demand money from followers by saying ‘you promised $ such & such an amount’, when they didn’t

Theory: not to bother about trivial matters, but important things in life
Practice: much disagreement about chairs in gurudwaras to the point of violence

Theory: after all efforts have failed, it is righteous to draw the sword
Practice: violence is often the first option of settling disputes

Theory: no hindu or muslim, but only human
Practice: Sikhism is now a third option, besides hindu & muslim

Theory: idol worship is forbidden & considered as useless
Practice: obeisance to the holy book, and prayer toward images of gurus

Theory: gurus fought for & sacrifices their lives for religious freedom
Practice: persecution of splinter groups eg. Radha soami & nirankaris & against converts to Christianity. Hostility towards hindus at times of unrest

Theory: teaches that all religions are different paths to the same God
Practice: constant denigration of beliefs & practices of other religions

Theory: one God, one holy book, one congregation
Practice: rival committees fighting for votes during committee elections

Theory: spending money on the poor
Practice: spending much money on legal battles for rival committee groups

Theory: simple places of worship
Practices: gurudwaras adorned with many fancy decorations

Theory: practice humility
Practice: very proud, egotistic. During the khalistan movement, it was often stated that the turban is higher than the hindu cap

Theory: nanak said that reading books or scriptures will not save you
Practice: sikh holy book is read from cover to cover in an assumption that it is a holy thing to do. Greed during akhand part reading. Readers are told to read for only half and hour, but end up reading for many hours, simply because more money ends up in front of them

Theory: not to be greedy for money or material things
Practice: worshippers bow down and donate spare change, but pray to God to make them millionaires

Theory: appearances of outward forms do not matter to God
Practice: to look holy, some sikhs wear long beards and turbans (the 5 K’s), and look down on others who do not conform to their appearance

Theory: humans life is worth more than temples made of bricks & mortar
Practice: sikhs take the lives of those who tear down their temples (revenge on hindu’s after the golden temple was attacked)


The original true spirit of Sikhism has been long gone from the sikh community, and this religion, like many others will continue on its downward spiral to mere formalism and man-made teachings & structures, which will save no one. THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.




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(Comment posted by EX SIKH at 9:46 pm, Wed 4th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (EX SIKH)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:46:53 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2717</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #18]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2724</link><description><![CDATA[See comments in < >by X-Christian

Would appreciate if you can use your real name if you are not afraid.


So call X-Sikh wrote:

Contradictions of theory & practice within Sikhism

Theory: a casteless society
Practice: division of Jatts, Mazbhi, Bhape, & others. Continual discrimination against mazbhi & other lower caste members. Caste pride of Jatts. There are even different gurudwaras for the different castes

< This is due to ingrain ego by humans, it has nothing to do with Guru Nanak's teachings.Many Sikhs do follow the true teachings of Guru Nanak and are againsts the caste system.All gurdrawa's serve free food (langar) to all irregard of a person caste. As a Sikh i belief and practice a casteless society like many othe sikhs.Are Christians free of discriminations?Please provide the address of a particular Gurdwara who do not serve food to a lower caste if you can find any?>

Theory: applying tilak on forehead, or ashes on body by hindus, and saffron robes by buddhists is useless
Practice: sikhs wear the 5 k’s (turban, sword etc.)

< Agree.The 5K is only symbols for baptised khalsa sikhs.It does not mean you will acheive salvation when you have all these symbols >

Theory: places of pilgrimage eg: mecca for muslims & ganges river for hindus are useless
Practice: various places of pilgrimage in India, especially the Golden Temple

< Agree. Most sikhs visit the Golden Temple to seek inpiration and not a place of pilgrimage.It's not a must for Sikhs to visit the Golden in his life term since God is everywhere.Tell me where it's written in the Granth all sikh need to go to Golden temple for pilgrimage?.Just because you see some newspapers writing by some confused writers,you make your own conclusion too>

Theory: abstinence of alcohol & meat
Practice: among the highest consumers of alcohol & meat in India

< That's their loss. Many sikhs do abtainse from alchohol and meat. Guru Nanak always say there are very few reals sikhs. Most of winery and alchohol companies are own by christians. Are you telling us Christians do not take alchohol?>

Theory: honest living
Practice: many sikhs, even religious leaders are corrupt. Some gurudwara leaders demand money from followers by saying ‘you promised $ such & such an amount’, when they didn’t

< Really, name the Gurdrawa please since we have not encountered this in any of the Gurdwara we attend. Just visit Benny Hinn Crusades, you will see millions of money collected in the name of christ for false miracles >

Theory: not to bother about trivial matters, but important things in life
Practice: much disagreement about chairs in gurudwaras to the point of violence

< That's politics,What has this got to do with religion? >

Theory: after all efforts have failed, it is righteous to draw the sword
Practice: violence is often the first option of settling disputes

< Just check through the % of criminals in Canada and America, you will find Sikhs has the lowest criminal arrest or violence occurance. Just because some sikhs are involved in violence that does not means all sikhs are violent. Christians are the most violent lots in America and most part of the world.Just visit the prison systems anywhere in the world, you will see the truth>

Theory: no hindu or muslim, but only human
Practice: Sikhism is now a third option, besides hindu & muslim

< Sikhism is not a religion. We are all children of God irregardless on the label we give to ourselves>

Theory: idol worship is forbidden & considered as useless
Practice: obeisance to the holy book, and prayer toward images of gurus

< Just because some sikhs bow towards the Guru's photo,that does not mean all sikhs does it.Just like many christians who bow to Jesus or Virgin mary statues out there. We bow the the holy book as a sign of respect since it's word of GOD.Would you not respect the Word of God?We do not worship the GGS.>

Theory: gurus fought for & sacrifices their lives for religious freedom
Practice: persecution of splinter groups eg. Radha soami & nirankaris & against converts to Christianity. Hostility towards hindus at times of unrest
< Really, If there are a prosecuted lot, there would not have any dera's in punjab correct? Did we not help built some church too. Didn't the punjab government banned Da Vin Ci code in punjab eventhough there is less than 1% christian population in punjab. Would the Christian do the same for Sikhs?Sikh group has builts mosques,churches in the past. Did any christian group has done the same for other? >

Theory: teaches that all religions are different paths to the same God
Practice: constant denigration of beliefs & practices of other religions

< Wrong again my freind with no name. Guru Nanak reminded all to follow the real teachings of a particular religion. Sometime it hurts to tell the truth.Sikhs do not go around and twist words on another religions holy book unlike christian missionaries >

Theory: one God, one holy book, one congregation
Practice: rival committees fighting for votes during committee elections

< That's politics.What has that got to do with Sikhi,again not all sikhs are the same.

Theory: spending money on the poor
Practice: spending much money on legal battles for rival committee groups

< Again, some sikhs does that, however many sikh groups are bringing more positive changes out there like Global langar programs.This has nothing to do with Sikhi. Many christian groups goes to legal battle too and a lot of violence. Does this mean it has something to do with Jesus teachings?>

Theory: simple places of worship
Practices: gurudwaras adorned with many fancy decorations
< Same goes for churches out there. I guess Sikhs have money...>

Theory: practice humility
Practice: very proud, egotistic. During the khalistan movement, it was often stated that the turban is higher than the hindu cap

< Really, show some real proof for once >

Theory: nanak said that reading books or scriptures will not save you
Practice: sikh holy book is read from cover to cover in an assumption that it is a holy thing to do. Greed during akhand part reading. Readers are told to read for only half and hour, but end up reading for many hours, simply because more money ends up in front of them

< Please....really. The reading is done by volunteers and no money is required. If there is that's a bad practice. We do take money when we read the holy granth. Get your facts right>

Theory: not to be greedy for money or material things
Practice: worshippers bow down and donate spare change, but pray to God to make them millionaires

< Again show evidence of these so call prayers.I do not pray to be a milionaire. Just because some sikhs are materialistic it does not means all the same.Christians can be greddy too and materialistic too correct.What has this got to do with Guru Nanak and Jesus teachings >

Theory: appearances of outward forms do not matter to God
Practice: to look holy, some sikhs wear long beards and turbans (the 5 K’s), and look down on others who do not conform to their appearance

< Oh really...How come we have not met any baptised sikhs who look down at others? >

Theory: humans life is worth more than temples made of bricks & mortar
Practice: sikhs take the lives of those who tear down their temples (revenge on hindu’s after the golden temple was attacked)

< Agreed. This is againsts Sikhi teachings.Same as above.Bush the crusader attacked Iraq out of revenge too." thou shall no kill remember" >


The original true spirit of Sikhism has been long gone from the sikh community, and this religion, like many others will continue on its downward spiral to mere formalism and man-made teachings & structures, which will save no one. THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.

< Only time will tell. The mughals predicted the same in the past and tried to wife out the sikhs, the hindus too ,and now many others like you are pridicting too. All we see we are now all over the world and a growing all over the world . It's even larger than JEWS>
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(Comment posted by Shaun Singh at 10:22 am, Thu 5th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Shaun Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:22:30 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2724</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #19]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2738</link><description><![CDATA[The un-named person in comment # 17 has raised very interesting points; some are quite valid while others make little sense. Whenever theory and practice clash or don’t work in unison, there is a conflict. I have seen this conflict among the Sikhs and this is not to the exclusion of other religious doctrines and the turmoil in their followers. In fact Sikhs do much better in proportion to others even though they themselves fall far short of the high lofty standards set forth in the Guru Granth and the cherished ideals of the Khalsa. 

Having said that, I must ask the writer of comment # 17 this question: Why have you become BLIND as well as IGNORANT? 
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(Comment posted by GB Singh at 5:12 pm, Sat 7th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:12:29 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2738</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #20]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2750</link><description><![CDATA[this question was raised by an unkown user for shaun singh on another post. please answer shaun or gb singh

who or which religious group had the truth before guru nanak?

the sikh scriptures are based on common sense (something that was needed during the ignorant superstisious period of hindus and muslims) - which many educated people have these days - so we dont really need the sikh scriptures anymore

the lineage of the third guru to the tenth guru was a family business, as is shown by their direct father to son/son-inlaw/nephew or other family member, to pass on the guru-ship. the same can be said of todays various radha soami groups in nth india

much of the teaching of guru nanak (eg. treating all men as brothers and all women as sisters, the teaching of Gods grace, and that idols are worthless...etc...) have their origins in the new testament.

all of the sikh scriptures have their writing as ...guru nanak said...or kabir said... or so & so guru said..., BUT, the bible has in many occasions says...THUS SAYS THE LORD.
We should take care to listen and read what the lord has to say rather than the many self-proclaimed 'holy men'.

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sikhism sounds like a great philosophy, but that is all it is - a man made theory (although a good one at that), written by some wise men who had some wise thoughts. well done to your gurus - all ten of them.

although, i read some of your tenth gurus writings (called the dasam granth) and found that he worshipped a hindu goddess called Durga, and revered other hindu deities. i thought sikhism taught one god only?
also, the tenth guru had killed 2 people called masands (who were some kind of sikh missionaries, because they had misbehaved or something)
also, the tenth guru had married 3 women i read somewhere.

please gb singh or shaun singh, dont react in an angry manner, i am just asking questions. i know that some sikhs are sensitive and can get a bit moody. take the example of the christians and forgive anyone that may insult.....these questions are not meant to be insulting though....


.....anyway, God bless and goodbye.

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(Comment posted by bizman at 5:44 pm, Tue 10th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (bizman)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:51 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2750</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #21]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2756</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Bizman,

I answer briefly to (Comment # 20) what you wrote:

1. I have a huge library at home and possess just about every old scripture. No other religious group enunciated the truth as given by Guru Nanak. If you have something, then please come forward.

2. You mentioned the superstitious period of Hindus and Muslims during which time the Sikh scripture came about. What about the fountain of superstitions coming from the Bible? For your information, Guru Nanak had also rejected the Bible. Why? Common sense!

3. I have read the New Testament many times and I see no parallel here with what Guru Nanak had written. As far as using the term “family business” goes it is inappropriate and misleading to the historical settings of the times. You might as well be saying that one of the “family businesses” was to read the New Testament and incorporate the ideas in Guru Granth! 

4. Dasam Granth is not authored by Guru Gobind Singh. Pay attention to the latest researches being done on that document. Pay attention to history and its proper analysis. Don’t fall for the misinformation and disinformation. Learn not to be a victim of falsehoods.

5. Without being “sensitive” and “moody,” I ask you to do your homework first. I also ask you to come forward and pick any topic of your choice and debate with us openly on www.Sikhspectrum.com. 
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(Comment posted by GB Singh at 5:54 am, Wed 11th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:54:19 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2756</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #22]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2765</link><description><![CDATA[MORE Contradictions of theory & practice within Sikhism 

Theory - whole life to be lived holy
Practice – go to gurudwaras on Sunday mornings, then on Sunday night they drink beer and tell dirty jokes

Theory – believe that all paths lead to God
Practice – by the claims of some sikhs – other holy books are not the word of god

Theory – sikh philosophy is a paraphrase of Hinduism
Practice – sikhs continue to deny their hindu foundations – to the point of separatism

Theory – teachings are to be taught in the local languages – not some dead languages like Sanskrit
Practice – old Punjabi is used in gurudwaras. Many younger Punjabis as well as local non-punjabis (usually English speaking) cannot understand what is taught

Theory – claim to be the ultimate truth
Practice – cannot answer adequately as to who had the truth before nanak. It seems as if god was only interested in our spiritual welfare after the 1600’s and then only in Punjab/northern India. What was going on for thousands of years before nanaks time – where was wahiguru?    Asleep?

Theory – all gurus were equally holy/divine
Practice – the last nine gurus, as well as the other mystics writings provide nothing new to add to nanaks teachings

Theory – 10th guru was humble
Practice – 10th guru murdered 2 masands by pouring hot sand on their heads
-	he stole from the hill raja’s for protection money
-	hunted animals with his hawk & claimed these hunted animals deserved to be killed as they had previous bad karma debt owing to his hawk
-	since all his sons were killed, then he could no longer continue his family business of guruship

theory – pilgrimages are useless
practice – a book on Sikhism written by sikhs stated that sikhs are to visit at least 5  takhts in their lifetime (book – what is Sikhism, by B.P Kaur)

theory – origins of the word wahiguru. V= Vishnu H= hari G= Gobind R=ram. VaHiGuRu – the consonants are the first letters of the hindu gods – vowels added in between.
Practice – denigration of hindu gods

Theory – have a fealess god
Practice – fear of being swamped by the hinduising of Punjab

Theory – nanak refused to bow down at muslim whorship & even laughed as the imam (Islamic prayer leader) was thinking about his horses newborn foal – therefore his prayer was unacceptable
Practice – I have hear during prayer time at gurudwara, some sikh women asking each other about ‘how to cook eggs or chicken’, and others (men) talk of politics, young men also eyeing out young girls.


Theory – acceptance of all to gurudwara regardless of racial or religious background
Practice – so many times I have seen many people turned off due to the rude responses by some sikhs – mainly village type old women – who indicated that the white person or muslim person shouldn’t be there. These newcomers never come back.

Theory – material things are maya (another thought of hindu origin)
Practice – eagerness to rapidly accumulate wealth. Lottery tickets, cheating, misuse of gurudwara funds. Jatts viciously fighting over land

Theory – righteous living to make one fearless and strong
Practice – having a form of godliness, but proving its power useless

Theory – egalitarian in its power base
Practice – self appointed judges at the akhal takht who summon ‘renegades’ to their ‘holy’ presence to answer a spiritual error

Theory – the book ‘globalisation & khalsa’ & ‘asia in the 21st century’ both written by Dr Sawraj Singh, state that the khalsa path or principles of Sikhism could solve the political problems of the world through mutual respect
Practice – first show that this works in Punjab & in local western gurdwaras – where they argue over the issue of chairs

Theory – spiritual knowledge should be taught to all sikhs
Practice – few sikhs actually know what is in their holy book

Theory – idol worship & reverence for man-made things are useless
Practice – laying the guru granth to sleep at night, and awakening it in the morning – a ritual practiced in gurudwaras. This guru, the granth, doesn’t speak, or hear, & has no power of its own. Its totally dependant on humans. What would happen if a dog ran into a temple and pissed on the granth. The ‘guru’ would be utterly defenseless.  What would we do then!

Theory – honesty & inner purity/cleanliness count and is worthy
Practice – most sikhs show that only outer cleanliness is important. You cannot touch their holy books without first washing your hands. They want to be clean on the outside, but are rotten within

Theory – panj pyare (5 beloved ones) have power. 10th guru said that where there are 5 sikhs – I am there with them
Practice – while hindus wear dhotis around their waistes, sikhs wear their dhotis on their heads.

One dhoti, two dhotis, three dhotis, four
To make panj pyare, we will need one more.

Jesus said ‘where there are 2 gathered in my name, I am among them’. Seems that jesus has more power than the 10th guru.

Theory – one must stay cool calm and collected at all times
Practice – many sikhs suffer from high blood pressure. The tighter the turban – the angrier they get. Advice: take the turban off, lighten your burdens, you’ll have less weight on your head & your blood pressure will drop.

Theory – be happy & cheerful at all times
Practice – seen any sikh weddings recently. They all look sad, as if they’re at a funeral.

Theory – look on the inside of a person, not the outside.
Practice – political alliances come first. If some hindu or muslim is holy, they are nothing, but if a friend or fellow Punjabi is rotten to the core, he is still khalas – pure.

Most religions have failed their users, such as Churchianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, & Judaism. But Buddhism seems to be the only one without self-righteous idiots running about.

Beware of all self-righteous gurus. Anyone can wrap a dhoti round their head, grow a beard, and babble on with some wise words, and automatically become a guru, either in India or in America. We are careful today, but why were we not careful during the sikh gurus time – like someone else has written, just another family business.

Sikhism has lost its vitality it once had. What a shame, especially that it’s the worlds youngest religion. You would think its energy would still be going by now, but like all false religions its all spent up by those corrupt leaders, who are rotten to the core.
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(Comment posted by EX SIKH at 10:00 pm, Thu 12th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (EX SIKH)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:00:05 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2765</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #23]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2770</link><description><![CDATA[Let me introduce myself. I have a lot of respect for all religions. I did embrace christianity when i was 17 but later reverted back to Sikhism.I have a lot of respect for both religions.

No one should criticise other who have chosen their religuous path let it be christianity or sikhism.The One Creator creates all of us.However i would like to comment on the following remarks from an unknown writer.

Unknown Writer wrote;
Contradictions of theory & practice within Sikhism

Theory: a casteless society
Practice: division of Jatts, Mazbhi, Bhape, & others. Continual discrimination against mazbhi & other lower caste members. Caste pride of Jatts. There are even different gurudwaras for the different castes

{Singh's Comment: I think this is greatly exagerated.
Well, it's more of an Indian Culture, It's has nothing to do with the religion.You will find this same problem among Indian Christian and Indian Muslims.All Gurdwara serve food without any discrimination. If you do observe any Gurdrawa descriminating others of different caste or religion please sent me the address of the Gurdwara to my e-mail so we could inform SPGC or other Sikh bodies to take actions }

Theory: applying tilak on forehead, or ashes on body by hindus, and saffron robes by buddhists is useless
Practice: sikhs wear the 5 k’s (turban, sword etc.)

{ The 5K is a bana of Sikh Khalsa or soldiers of God.However without practising NAAM all these symbols are without meanings. The 5 K does have significant values even scientifically...For Example.

1)Kesh or Hair is Natural Self dressing of a human being. It's a God's gift.

2)Kirpan is taken from the word Kirpa meaning mercy as a reminder to defend others who need help irregardless of a person's religion or caste.It does not mean a person who has a Kirpan is meant to be violent. In recent survey in Canada, there was zero incident of use of Kirpan as a weapon in Canada, while there was 3000 cases related to baseball bat within the same period.

The same goes for the other 3 items, there is sceintific reasons for these items. If you like to know more send me an e-mail.}





Theory: places of pilgrimage eg: mecca for muslims & ganges river for hindus are useless
Practice: various places of pilgrimage in India, especially the Golden Temple

{Singh's Comment: A sikh does not need go to Golden Temple as a pilgrimage. Usually a sikh goes to Golden Temple to seek inspiration like our Catholic brother visiting the Vatican. I guess you are misinformed on this item }

Theory: abstinence of alcohol & meat
Practice: among the highest consumers of alcohol & meat in India
{Singh's comments: I guess money has a lot to do with this.Punjabis has the highest per capita income in India ,guess the bad habits came in with the money.Well i do know many Sikhs who do not consume alchohol and do not eat meat too. Well some just do follow the teaching of Guru Nanak, like the christians who do embrace Jesus teachings and moslems who does not embrace the Quran teachings. I have seen many christian who are drunks..and drug abuser. However,sikh are not doing that bad compared to others from other faith since you will not find a beggar anong the Sikh population}

Theory: honest living
Practice: many sikhs, even religious leaders are corrupt. Some gurudwara leaders demand money from followers by saying ‘you promised $ such & such an amount’, when they didn’t

{ Singh's comment: We have seen this in any Gurdwara we visited. Please provide the address of the Gurdrawa you observed this phenomena }

Theory: not to bother about trivial matters, but important things in life
Practice: much disagreement about chairs in gurudwaras to the point of violence

{Singh's comment: This is politics, nothing to do about religion . Many Sikhs really do good things out there like helping the poor by serving etc...eventhough the sikh population is a minority.
For Example Sikh Naujawan Sabha Malaysia delivered USD 27 million of food during  2004 Thunami inccident. This was the highest contribution by an NGO in asia eventhough Sikhs only number less than 100000 in Malaysia}

Theory: after all efforts have failed, it is righteous to draw the sword
Practice: violence is often the first option of settling disputes

{Singh comment: Wrong observation,while there are some incidents, this is only minority . See result survey in Canada ie Kirpan Incident vs Base Ball bat violent inccident ( O vs 3000)}

Theory: no hindu or muslim, but only human
Practice: Sikhism is now a third option, besides hindu & muslim

( Singh's comment: We are all children of God irregardless of the religion name human's created. Sikhism is not a religion but a way of life. Guru Nanak message above is true 500 years ago and true even now }

Theory: idol worship is forbidden & considered as useless
Practice: obeisance to the holy book, and prayer toward images of gurus

{ Singh's comment: I personally and many of sikh freinds of Guru's photo's in their homes but we do not pray to them. These photos are use purely for inspiration and not an object of worship.If some sikhs are worshipping this photo's that's wrong since we do now many who do not. We bow to the GGS as a sign of Respect to the Word of God not as an object of worship.If you know a book is the Word of God would you not respect it?Sikhs do take this book as their living Guru since the shabads represents all the Guru's teachings and living words from God.The coming of the SIKH Gurus and Mona Guru ( Silent Guru) in this world was mention 3000 years ago in Hindu Scriptures even before Jesus walked on Earth.Again if you need evidence just write to me, i will sent you all the links as evidence}

Theory: gurus fought for & sacrifices their lives for religious freedom
Practice: persecution of splinter groups eg. Radha soami & nirankaris & against converts to Christianity. Hostility towards hindus at times of unrest

{Singh's comments: The action of some sikhs should not be use to maligned all sikhs.I do not think all Sikhs have any problems with any of these sects . However most incidents do happen due to issues created by these groups esp Nirankari where they actually burned the GGS or Some Christian Missionaries writing bad things like degrading the Sikh Gurus for example. Well as a sikh , i may protest but never turn violent since Sikhi teaches me to be tolerant of others. ....}

Theory: teaches that all religions are different paths to the same God
Practice: constant denigration of beliefs & practices of other religions

{ Singh's comment: This is wrong assumptions, Sikhs do not poke fun at others like christians. Sikhs always remind other to follow their religion in a true manner.}

Theory: one God, one holy book, one congregation
Practice: rival committees fighting for votes during committee elections

{ Singh's comment: Again ,this is politics and has nothing to do with Sikhi}

Theory: spending money on the poor
Practice: spending much money on legal battles for rival committee groups

{Singh's comments: Sikhs does spend a lot of money to serve the poor. We have recently launced a Global langar project and you will see more sikh serving the poor out there. There are many sikh organisation helping the poor out there like www.unitedsikhs.org or www.khalsaid.org and Pingalwara , Niskam in India eventhough we are a minority.Remember there is 2 billion christians in this world yet there is no peace}

Theory: simple places of worship
Practices: gurudwaras adorned with many fancy decorations

{ Singh's comment: The Sikhs have abundant of money,you will see the same with christian churches}

Theory: practice humility
Practice: very proud, egotistic. During the khalistan movement, it was often stated that the turban is higher than the hindu cap
{ Singh's comment: Not true.Thousands of Innocent Sikhs were killed and falsely implied as terrorist by the Indian Government. Recently the Indian Government admitted to many false encounters and penetrate the sikh movements with Spies to maligned the sikhs }

Theory: nanak said that reading books or scriptures will not save you
Practice: sikh holy book is read from cover to cover in an assumption that it is a holy thing to do. Greed during akhand part reading. Readers are told to read for only half and hour, but end up reading for many hours, simply because more money ends up in front of them
{ Singh's comment: Simply not true. Wrong observations}

Theory: not to be greedy for money or material things
Practice: worshippers bow down and donate spare change, but pray to God to make them millionaires

{ Singh's comment: Some Sikhs does this some don't like some christian with ask Jesus for money while other will only request Jesus for peace }

Theory: appearances of outward forms do not matter to God
Practice: to look holy, some sikhs wear long beards and turbans (the 5 K’s), and look down on others who do not conform to their appearance
{Singh's comment: Wrong again .No such thing}

Theory: humans life is worth more than temples made of bricks & mortar
Practice: sikhs take the lives of those who tear down their temples (revenge on hindu’s after the golden temple was attacked)

{Singh's comment: That's their loss for the few who did not follow Guru Nanak's teachings }


The original true spirit of Sikhism has been long gone from the sikh community, and this religion, like many others will continue on its downward spiral to mere formalism and man-made teachings & structures, which will save no one. THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.

{ Singh's comment: Wrong again. Sikhi is a growing religion. In recent times many have embrace sikhism though out the world and a surge of new sikhs in Latin America, Europe, UK and now in Africa. Just check through christian Science monitor website. Sikhi is the 2nd fastest growing Religion in this world after Islam. Well anyhow Sikhs are not into numbers, numbers does not proof a thing as you have seen with christianity 2 billion population.There are more than 1000 different sects,many churches are on sale due to lack of congretion or poor attendance.}

God Bless




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(Comment posted by Surinder Singh at 3:46 pm, Fri 13th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Surinder Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:46:28 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2770</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #24]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2772</link><description><![CDATA[Comments on No 22.

This person needs pycratic help. We will pray for you.

See comments in{ }

MORE Contradictions of theory & practice within Sikhism 

Theory - whole life to be lived holy
Practice – go to gurudwaras on Sunday mornings, then on Sunday night they drink beer and tell dirty jokes
{ Singh's comments: Again some sikhs does this while others do not. Some Buddhist or christian members do the same while others do not. This has nothing to do to the teaching of a particular religion but just due to some menbers of any paticular relgion who does not embrace the teachings }

Theory – believe that all paths lead to God
Practice – by the claims of some sikhs – other holy books are not the word of god
{ Singh's comment: Not all sikhs are the same. I have respect for all holy books out there eventhough i do not agree with some of their teachings.Most Sikhs respect other religious books. For examples Sikhs are now building a Church for the Christians in Florida. See www.unitedsikhs.org. If they have a problem with the bible they would never even consider buidling this church which was damaage by a tornado last month }

Theory – sikh philosophy is a paraphrase of Hinduism
Practice – sikhs continue to deny their hindu foundations – to the point of separatism
{ Singh's comments: From your points seems you do not know anything about Guru Nanak's teachings.Suggesy you get some peace and move on with your life }

Theory – teachings are to be taught in the local languages – not some dead languages like Sanskrit
Practice – old Punjabi is used in gurudwaras. Many younger Punjabis as well as local non-punjabis (usually English speaking) cannot understand what is taught

{ Singh's comment: Not all Gurdrawa does the same. There is reason why there any many books in various languages. Did you know the GGS has also been translated to various languages like finnish,german,spanish,guarani,hindi,others and more recently thai and Japanese since we have new congregation from these backgrounds}

Theory – claim to be the ultimate truth
Practice – cannot answer adequately as to who had the truth before nanak. It seems as if god was only interested in our spiritual welfare after the 1600’s and then only in Punjab/northern India. What was going on for thousands of years before nanaks time – where was wahiguru? Asleep?

{ Singh's comment: Well false again, Read the Mool Mantra .There is reference about the big bang theory in the GGS indicating how earth was created by God.Again the prophecy of Guru Nanak coming to this world was written 3000 YEARS ago in hindu holy books.
Write to me and we will provide you the evidence.
All the answers to how life come into being is written the Granth Sahib. There is reference of many earths in this Universe indicating we are not alone in this Universe. U need to understand the mool matra to understand all this. When Guru Nanak mention there were many Solar systems, planets and sphere earths he even mention this was true at the beginning but was only discovered recently.}

Theory – all gurus were equally holy/divine
Practice – the last nine gurus, as well as the other mystics writings provide nothing new to add to nanaks teachings

{ Singh's comment: Wrong again. Check out www.sikhnet.com for the history of GGS and find out and learn more which Guru's contributes to the GGS.Remember Sikhi teachings indicate there was only one Guru Nanak Soul with 10 different bodies. That's the reason you will see all the writings end with Nanak since they were all Nanak}

Theory – 10th guru was humble
Practice – 10th guru murdered 2 masands by pouring hot sand on their heads
- he stole from the hill raja’s for protection money
- hunted animals with his hawk & claimed these hunted animals deserved to be killed as they had previous bad karma debt owing to his hawk
- since all his sons were killed, then he could no longer continue his family business of guruship

{Singh's comment: Wrong again. You seems to have lack of knowledge. Show evidence of Guru murdering these 2 so call masand? And again show evidence he stole money from so call hill raja. Again the Guru Ship is not a family business.You have lack information on sikh history and making your own conclusion due to your own failures in life. You need to find some peace.

theory – pilgrimages are useless
practice – a book on Sikhism written by sikhs stated that sikhs are to visit at least 5 takhts in their lifetime (book – what is Sikhism, by B.P Kaur)
{ Singh's comment: If a sikh wrote that ,it's wrong since pilgramage is not going to help you in your next life. I guess she was probably suggesting all sikhs should visit all these Gurdaras to learn obout Sikh history and get some inspiration}

theory – origins of the word wahiguru. V= Vishnu H= hari G= Gobind R=ram. VaHiGuRu – the consonants are the first letters of the hindu gods – vowels added in between.
Practice – denigration of hindu gods
{Singh's comment: Another unintelligent observations and misinformation. Again the word of waheguru was also noted in hindu holy books when there prodicted Guru Nanak's coming to the world 3000 years ago. They did mention Waheguru will be made popular by a Guru call NANAK=meaning "God is One".

One more thing, Waheguru was in Gurmurki...correct..so how did you make this conclusion. Actually we spell it in English as Waheguru and not Vahiguru.Since you change it for your own twisted agenda}

Theory – have a fealess god
Practice – fear of being swamped by the hinduising of Punjab
{ Singh's comment: Some may have feared this.But My family and many other Sikhs have no fear...so what's the arguement here}

Theory – nanak refused to bow down at muslim whorship & even laughed as the imam (Islamic prayer leader) was thinking about his horses newborn foal – therefore his prayer was unacceptable
Practice – I have hear during prayer time at gurudwara, some sikh women asking each other about ‘how to cook eggs or chicken’, and others (men) talk of politics, young men also eyeing out young girls.

{ Singh's comment: I think Guru Nanak was showing an example for all to follow irregardless of what teachings or prayer method you follow }


Theory – acceptance of all to gurudwara regardless of racial or religious background
Practice – so many times I have seen many people turned off due to the rude responses by some sikhs – mainly village type old women – who indicated that the white person or muslim person shouldn’t be there. These newcomers never come back.

{ Singh's comment: Please show evidence. In our Gurdrawa all are welcome..}

Theory – material things are maya (another thought of hindu origin)
Practice – eagerness to rapidly accumulate wealth. Lottery tickets, cheating, misuse of gurudwara funds. Jatts viciously fighting over land
{ Singh's comment: Again a very weak arguement since you will see this in all cultures or with people of different religious background}

Theory – righteous living to make one fearless and strong
Practice – having a form of godliness, but proving its power useless
{ Singh's comment: No comment since the pcycho does not know what he is saying}

Theory – egalitarian in its power base
Practice – self appointed judges at the akhal takht who summon ‘renegades’ to their ‘holy’ presence to answer a spiritual error
{ Singh's comment: Many Sikhs ignore them since they are not following the teaching of Guru Nanak }

Theory – the book ‘globalisation & khalsa’ & ‘asia in the 21st century’ both written by Dr Sawraj Singh, state that the khalsa path or principles of Sikhism could solve the political problems of the world through mutual respect
Practice – first show that this works in Punjab & in local western gurdwaras – where they argue over the issue of chairs

{ Singh's comment: There is no more arguement .You will see the different in the future. Khalsa Raj is commimg...}

Theory – spiritual knowledge should be taught to all sikhs
Practice – few sikhs actually know what is in their holy book
{ Singh's comment: So....Why did you not go learn it yourself like i did and some of my freind did. It can be your own initiative duh...}

Theory – idol worship & reverence for man-made things are useless
Practice – laying the guru granth to sleep at night, and awakening it in the morning – a ritual practiced in gurudwaras. This guru, the granth, doesn’t speak, or hear, & has no power of its own. Its totally dependant on humans. What would happen if a dog ran into a temple and pissed on the granth. The ‘guru’ would be utterly defenseless. What would we do then!
{ Singh's comment: Stupid comment does not need any comment. See my earlier comment on GGS. If you do not know how to respect word of God how can you learn and move on with your life and try to achieve salvation}

Theory – honesty & inner purity/cleanliness count and is worthy
Practice – most sikhs show that only outer cleanliness is important. You cannot touch their holy books without first washing your hands. They want to be clean on the outside, but are rotten within

{Singh's comment: How do you know who is good and bad.The same can be observed with christian or buddist,moslems etc}

Theory – panj pyare (5 beloved ones) have power. 10th guru said that where there are 5 sikhs – I am there with them
Practice – while hindus wear dhotis around their waistes, sikhs wear their dhotis on their heads.
{ Singh's comment: Wow...Another stupid observation. No comment to this ridiculous comment}

One dhoti, two dhotis, three dhotis, four
To make panj pyare, we will need one more.
{ Singh's comment: Wow...Another stupid observation. No comment to this ridiculous comment}

Jesus said ‘where there are 2 gathered in my name, I am among them’. Seems that jesus has more power than the 10th guru.

{ Singh's comment: Have you ever baptised yourself as a khalsa and experience the bliss? You will never know until you expereince it yourself ain't it}

Theory – one must stay cool calm and collected at all times
Practice – many sikhs suffer from high blood pressure. The tighter the turban – the angrier they get. Advice: take the turban off, lighten your burdens, you’ll have less weight on your head & your blood pressure will drop.

{ Singh's comment: Another stupid observation. Did you become a doctor or something}

Theory – be happy & cheerful at all times
Practice – seen any sikh weddings recently. They all look sad, as if they’re at a funeral.
{Singh's comment: That's probably your own wedding, Gloomy person.In my wedding we had a good time and joyous moment}

Theory – look on the inside of a person, not the outside.
Practice – political alliances come first. If some hindu or muslim is holy, they are nothing, but if a friend or fellow Punjabi is rotten to the core, he is still khalas – pure.

{ Singh's comment: Unintelligent observations. no comment}

Most religions have failed their users, such as Churchianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, & Judaism. But Buddhism seems to be the only one without self-righteous idiots running about.
{Singh's comment: Really, Did you know buddist controls most of the brothels in Asia. Go to Thailand ,Combodia,Malaysia,Loas,Veitnam...underage girls being sold ..and buddha statue is infront of the brothel....Even buddist monks were  caught on tape visiting brothels....in Thailand. No religion is perfect]

Beware of all self-righteous gurus. Anyone can wrap a dhoti round their head, grow a beard, and babble on with some wise words, and automatically become a guru, either in India or in America. We are careful today, but why were we not careful during the sikh gurus time – like someone else has written, just another family business.

{ Singh's comment: The only falsehood it's you with your unintelligent writings}

Sikhism has lost its vitality it once had. What a shame, especially that it’s the worlds youngest religion. You would think its energy would still be going by now, but like all false religions its all spent up by those corrupt leaders, who are rotten to the core.

{ Singh's comment: If you feel that's true what's your contribution to bring peace on Earth? Why not start a langar project and help the poor instead of writing nonsence }

Please get some pycratic help so you can move on.
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(Comment posted by Surinder Singh at 12:32 pm, Sat 14th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Surinder Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:32:17 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2772</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #25]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2773</link><description><![CDATA[Dear “Ex-Sikh”:

In comment #22 you again excelled in your blindness and ignorance.  For sake of space let me just address one of your wild assertions:
·	Theory – sikh philosophy is a paraphrase of Hinduism
Practice – sikhs continue to deny their hindu foundations – to the point of separatism
From where are you getting your “theory”? It seems to me you make up a “theory” and conveniently come up with a “practice” to nullify the false theory. This is not a smart move. Can you perform the job a bit better?

Moreover, it’s not a bad idea to reveal your identity.
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(Comment posted by GB Singh at 7:58 pm, Sat 14th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:26 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2773</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #26]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2786</link><description><![CDATA[Dear X-Sikh,

If you feel sikhs are not doing anything outthere for peace,please check out this website.

www.kalgidharsociety.org

They are growing fast in India with new schools and colleges coming up. They run free medical clinics and de addiction centres to help the poor and addicts in India.

There are many more sikh groups out there doing many great things to help others irregardless of person background ,color or religion.

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(Comment posted by Surinder Singh at 11:52 am, Tue 17th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Surinder Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:52:40 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2786</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #27]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2807</link><description><![CDATA[surinder, thanks for the link. i will look into it. all that i have written is based on personal experience, what i have read in books about sikhism - written by sikhs themselves, and experiences from other sikhs i have talked to. 
years ago, i was shocked to hear some people have left sikhism, but since then i have realised why. - there are many different reasons.

GB Singh and shaun singh, why do you continue to judge me. its the judgemental attitude and reaction of people like yourselves that make people like me (fellow punjabi's / fellow sikhs / fellow humans) to distance ourselves from the larger body of sikhs. 
and yes, i admit that i may be blind or ignorant, and in need pycratic ? help, but can are doing anything to help. Doesnt look like it. Whenever i have heavily criticised christians in the past, they have always responded lovingly, and are always forgiving.

Why the difference?<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by EX SIKH at 9:39 pm, Sun 22nd Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (EX SIKH)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:39:07 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2807</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #28]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2811</link><description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Ex-Sikh,

In your comment # 27, you have not understood what I wrote earlier; I merely responded to what bizarre stuff you were putting out. In no way that was meant to be judgmental against you but rather it was simply questioning you. There is a difference between the two.

Like you I have come across loving Christians. But what does that have to do with what is enshrined inside the Bible? My problem is with what is inside the Bible, which the loving Christians will not tell you.

I can speak for myself: Please feel free to reach me at any time via e-mail. I live in USA. 
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(Comment posted by GB Singh at 12:15 pm, Mon 23rd Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (GB Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:15:57 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2811</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #29]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2825</link><description><![CDATA[Dear X -Sikh.

See comments below

X-Sikh wrote:

surinder, thanks for the link. i will look into it. all that i have written is based on personal experience, what i have read in books about sikhism - written by sikhs themselves, and experiences from other sikhs i have talked to. 
years ago, i was shocked to hear some people have left sikhism, but since then i have realised why. - there are many different reasons.

{Singh's comments, i had similar expereince  with some,well that's what we call in born ego of some people irregardless od person faith. There are good and bad person in every religion. What's important is the message of the relgion and it's a choice you need to make yourself.
You do not need to follow others or observed what some people are doing out there to make a judgement on a particular relgion. I am not hear to judge anyone.I made a choice when i was a teenager to embraced christianity and but later to revert to sikhism since i believe it has more universal message but i do not have any problem with christianity.Both religions are great...but it's a choice i made base on my heart and i found peace with Sikhi. I do not take alcohol,smoke,do drugs...i know many others follow sikhi with great devotion, but some just do not like christion would love Jesus purely while some who do not care.

So people do leave their religion. This is nothing new.It's a birthright,you are free to choose.

As for the books you read, sometime you need to investigate further.Just because some sikhs write someting that does not mean it's correct eg the subject of pilgrimage etc. You only need to follow the teaching in the GGS and not written by someone.
Example why did you not believe what's written by Dan Brown in "Da Vinci Code".Afterall he is a christian and he must be telling the truth?Is he thruth or the bible? You make the choice.

As for the Guru who has many wifes, this is found to be baseless. There are many research done and found this is wrong. Apparently there is only one wife but with many names since people have many names for example your fullname is Sukhjit, but your parents call you lovingly Jeeto and when you get married your spouse started calling you Sukhjeeto..Thus now there is 3 names for the same person and when people write about Sukhjit some may just identify this person as Jeeto since that's what they here from her parents.

If you need further clarifications on sikhi write to me, we will provide all the evidence.}



GB Singh and shaun singh, why do you continue to judge me. its the judgemental attitude and reaction of people like yourselves that make people like me (fellow punjabi's / fellow sikhs / fellow humans) to distance ourselves from the larger body of sikhs. 
and yes, i admit that i may be blind or ignorant, and in need pycratic ? help, but can are doing anything to help. Doesnt look like it. Whenever i have heavily criticised christians in the past, they have always responded lovingly, and are always forgiving.

{ Singh's comments: Well i can't comment on behalf of Shaun and GB but i am sorry to say this,but you were the one who was judging on sikhi ie Theory vs practice.As for christians responding lovingly,i beg to differ, a christian would not have any problem to tell a non-christian they are going to hell just for having a different beliefs . You only need to see the response from this website by some of the christian participants.}

Singh's comment

Why the difference?

{Singh's comment; Christians always tell us we are going to hell since we do not belief in Jesus,some belittle other religion,some even changes words from the other religious books to claim Jesus is mention in their holy books etc }
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(Comment posted by Surinder Singh at 11:57 am, Tue 24th Apr 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Surinder Singh)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:57:30 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2825</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #30]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2928</link><description><![CDATA[We have compiled a full rebuttal to all the ignorant "theory and practice" comments made by the non-Sikh members of this forum and also included an interesting theory and practice on Christianity ... please see www.ProjectNaad.com -> Leaflets tab -> Article called Sikhim & Christianity - theory and practice

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(Comment posted by Paramdeep Bhatia at 2:38 am, Mon 28th May 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Paramdeep Bhatia)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 28 May 2007 02:38:44 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2928</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #31]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2958</link><description><![CDATA[I find this article pretty interesting, due to the fact that i have christian members of the family and im being persued by one of my best friends constantly to become a christian. I agree with the article that christians, especialy whites on the whole are a better and more peacfeful society. We have so many contradictions of faith in sikhism, that the religion quite franky is not attractive anymore, its the truth. As for the comments about giving proof and we will inform the SPG. The SPG itself is corrupt, they have a buget larger than the indian government and have done nothing. They couldn't even bring sikhism to the Dalits of the Punjab! thats how bad the governing body is. Human ego is one of the biggest factors in the down fall of sikhism, i regretfully say and believe sikhism is on a continuous spiral downwards, there is no denying it. Punjab is no longer a sikh state anymore, with constant arrivals of more and more hindu bajhas from the outer states. Its a great ploy by the indian government to increase hindu numbers in the punjab, at the same time sikh numbers are depleating. There used to be a time where sardars were always in site where ever you looked into punjab. The site of turbans and kesh are dissapearing. Mazbhi numbers are falling, i can very safely state that mazbhis are the back bone of sikhism (whether jatts like to agknowledge this fact or not) but the real problem is this valimk thing. This is perhaps the biggest threat to sikhism. mazbhis are leaving for valmik. Sikh numbers are falling due to the fact that valmik and hinduism is becoming popular again. The hindus will eventualy use valmikis against sikhs, lets face it hindus and sikhs cant and wont ever get a long. The principles of the two religions are just too different. There is no winner in this situation exept the hindu, because sikhism will finish and hindu numbers will increase again, and the stupid churras who choose to follow hinduism will return back to square one, untouchables with no rights in the name of religion as this is what the laws of manu state. This is a clever plan from the hindus, but jatts are the catylist in this bad reaction. Human ego and caste is a huge problem, even shaheeds and shaheedis are not spared. This human ego is not just jatt based, but can be present in any one, i would like to draw your attention to my name. After personal experiances with sikhs of mostly jatt and even a few Tharkhan backgrounds, i have become, a kind of nationalist. I used to believe that we were all brothers and sisters, because when i was a small child practicaly all of my friends were sikhs irrespective of their caste, eventualy as we get older caste starts to take hold. Now after my experiences and reading gurdwara websites who constantly change sikh history so every one in sikh history was a jatt, mai bhago was a jatti, baba deep singh ji was a jatt, some people tried to make botha singh a jatt and gharga singh his companion a mazbi.Others say Gharja singh was a chamar ...ect, but the truth is they were both mazbhi sikhs, infact Botha and Gharja singh were biological brothers. Mai bhago was a mazbhi, the jatts who say other things such as she was a dhillon, with me that isnt on. I was told of an incident , where a jatt came into a gurdwara and proclaimed mai bhago as a jatti, not suprisingly this sparked of a debate. After about 2 hours a very learned mazbhi stood up and told the jatt that in the guru granth sahib ji, their is a certain vaarr that tells us mai bhago's caste,...and it isnt jatt. It makes a reference  to mai bhago comming from a very lowly community, the exact word used in the vaarr i dont know, but the jatt after pondering  issued an apology and admitted him self, " phfir mira thian itthay ne gyea."  the exact reffernce to this vaarr i do not know as im not a panjabi reader or writer, but i will get this reference from the learned mazbhi and post it on here if one so requests.  This attitute from jatt sikhs mostly, who act all macho and think they are the hardest and toughest guys on the planet, have inturn sparked off violent responces from me and other like minded people here. My mother has taught me that the toughest and bravest sikhs through out sikh history are mazbhi sikhs. I am very proud of this fact and now i beleive in mazbhi nationalism. If jatts can be all it after their 40 desererters deserted guru gobind singh, then their is no reason in hell that there cannot be mazbhi izzat. after all mazbhi was a title awarded to the rangretta community by guru gobind singh. Mazbhi means "the religious" Iwould rather have it all casteless as the gurus had intended, but in this day and age your practically forced to die for your colours. So their is some real facts being posted by ex sikh, this person is right and we would be wrong to deny his calims about dicrimination. as for the comments about no gurdwara discriminates langar, that is not true, i have read some articles about certain gurudwaras in punjab were kara is given to the sikh congregation and then to the mazbhi sikhs last. that is perhaps the biggest violation to the gurus wishes. There are also gurdwaras were mazbhis eat langar last! Here in the west the caste divide is greater than ever! My mind is revolutionary, i beleive after all our sacrifices, our mazbhi shaheeds and shaheedis that made sikhi great, after all our Gurbanis, fellow mazbhis are treated this way, its discraceful, and i urge all other mazbhis to start thinking a mazbhi first policy, maybe establishing gangs would be a start. My reason for sticking  with sikhi instead of converting to Christianity (although tempting) is because this is my tribute all our great mazbhi shaheeds and shaheedis, that sacrificed them selves to keep sikhism alive. maybe Mazbhis need to be reminded of who they realy are? we brought fear to the hearts of mughals and then  the british, we then served along side the british loyaly and bravely in both world wars in huge numbers too.  Mazbhis need to be enlightend of this fact. After all sikh history is Mazbhi sikh history!
the equal distribution of langar does not make the world better.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Putt Mazbhi da at 11:51 am, Fri 8th Jun 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Putt Mazbhi da)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:51:50 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment2958</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #32]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment3152</link><description><![CDATA[Jatt Sikhs have really screwed up the panth, there is no denying that.

But Sikhism itself can not be corrupted. It is only the practice of Sikhism which can be corrupted.

Sikhs need to start following Sikhism properly and then we can start spreading the faith to the Christian, Hindu and Muslim communities of India.

Guru Ravidas was one of the founding fathers of Sikhism and so Sikhism is and should be the prefered dharma for all dalits of India.<br/><br/>
(Comment posted by param at 5:35 am, Sun 29th Jul 2007)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (param)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:35:09 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment3152</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #33]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment5087</link><description><![CDATA[Sikhism unfortunately won't lead anyone to heaven, sad but true. Jesus came to save the world, not only Christians. Jesus belongs to no religion. Corrupt Churches and corrupt Church leaders can't be the basis for judging Jesus. Sikhs have good works but unfortunately they worship dead saints, who never said they were God. Poor gullible folks. They will have a surprise when they depart from this world. Nanak ain't gonna take you to heaven. He has no authority. He was born of a man and woman. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Wake up ignorant sikhs...please. You are so devoted, but the true Guru eludes you. Jesus is the only way to Waheguru. <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Ahmed at 4:32 pm, Fri 3rd Oct 2008)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Ahmed)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:32:17 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment5087</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comment #34]]></title><link>http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment5744</link><description><![CDATA[I respect that you have found who you want to worship. People change religions like they change clothes... I know a person like that and ended up becoming an athiest... Sikhism is very open minded religion with only one path to God. Indeed, we have 10 Gurus but Sikhs are not to worship them as Guru Gobind Singh stated, do not worship me, worship the Guru Granth Sahib who is the path to the Guru (God) Sikhs believe in only One God who is the one who we do not have a picture of like Jesus or the Hindu Devi's... My point is that if you are a convert to Christianity, Islam and what ever religion, remove your name SINGH or KAUR due to the fact that you are no longer the Guru's Singh (lion) or Kaur (princess)... <br/><br/>
(Comment posted by Taj Kaur at 5:59 pm, Tue 10th Mar 2009)]]></description><author>no@spam.com (Taj Kaur)</author><pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:59:20 MDT]]></pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.southasianconnection.com/articles/179/1/I-Have-Received-Unlimited-Grace-Mercy-And-Favor-from-a-Holy-and-Righteous-God/Page1.html#Comment5744</guid></item></channel></rss>